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	<title>Comments on: FlickrFan: Much Ado About Nothing</title>
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	<description>Keeping an eye on Dave Winer</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/flickrfan-much-ado-about-nothing#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He also took a shot from somebody who thought it was environmentally irresponsible to leave your power-hog HDTV on all the time just to display pictures.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My favorite moment, though, was when he was asked for his greatest online and offline mistakes, couldn't muster up the humility to come up with anything, and insulted the questioner.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://portal.vpod.tv/leweb3/393644&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also took a shot from somebody who thought it was environmentally irresponsible to leave your power-hog HDTV on all the time just to display pictures.</p>

<p>My favorite moment, though, was when he was asked for his greatest online and offline mistakes, couldn&#8217;t muster up the humility to come up with anything, and insulted the questioner.</p>

<p><a href="http://portal.vpod.tv/leweb3/393644" rel="nofollow">http://portal.vpod.tv/leweb3/393644</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Gah</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/flickrfan-much-ado-about-nothing#comment-854</link>
		<dc:creator>Gah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love that the Le Web video of Winer has someone telling him about the Google App that does the same... http://pack.google.com/screensaver.html - he looked a little shocked.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that the Le Web video of Winer has someone telling him about the Google App that does the same&#8230; <a href="http://pack.google.com/screensaver.html" rel="nofollow">http://pack.google.com/screensaver.html</a> - he looked a little shocked.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/flickrfan-much-ado-about-nothing#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 03:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FlickrFan is a trivial hack that requires a ridiculous amount of software and hardware. It also requires a high-definition television to stay on all the time. Talk about bloated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Dave Winer had pitched this as a fun project of little consequence that feeds his love of news photography, rather than as a "revolution," he wouldn't be the subject of so much ridicule around the net along with Robert Scoble and the other sycophants. But his ego won't permit him to do anything that's less than earth-shaking. Almost feel sorry for him.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FlickrFan is a trivial hack that requires a ridiculous amount of software and hardware. It also requires a high-definition television to stay on all the time. Talk about bloated.</p>

<p>If Dave Winer had pitched this as a fun project of little consequence that feeds his love of news photography, rather than as a &#8220;revolution,&#8221; he wouldn&#8217;t be the subject of so much ridicule around the net along with Robert Scoble and the other sycophants. But his ego won&#8217;t permit him to do anything that&#8217;s less than earth-shaking. Almost feel sorry for him.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/flickrfan-much-ado-about-nothing#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lane Hartwell, Jim Goldstein and Dave Winer are commenting about photo rights at:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog/2007/12/28/flickrfan-a-heads-up-for-license-conscious-flickr-photographers/#comment-21647&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave is "very busy right now" and that's not making photographers very happy. Food fight any minute. I tried a comment to see if ARR photos we're being release in the feed and I found one that is. The software doesn't read the creators site for a license. If Flickr send a jpg link in a feed it requests a copy of that file. There will be upset people... film at 11. Invoices may start flying soon since this is a "product" with a EULA, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave should give this stuff away and never expect to make money with lone scripting. He's needs legal advice... again.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lane Hartwell, Jim Goldstein and Dave Winer are commenting about photo rights at:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog/2007/12/28/flickrfan-a-heads-up-for-license-conscious-flickr-photographers/#comment-21647" rel="nofollow">http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog/2007/12/28/flickrfan-a-heads-up-for-license-conscious-flickr-photographers/#comment-21647</a></p>

<p>Dave is &#8220;very busy right now&#8221; and that&#8217;s not making photographers very happy. Food fight any minute. I tried a comment to see if ARR photos we&#8217;re being release in the feed and I found one that is. The software doesn&#8217;t read the creators site for a license. If Flickr send a jpg link in a feed it requests a copy of that file. There will be upset people&#8230; film at 11. Invoices may start flying soon since this is a &#8220;product&#8221; with a EULA, etc.</p>

<p>Dave should give this stuff away and never expect to make money with lone scripting. He&#8217;s needs legal advice&#8230; again.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/flickrfan-much-ado-about-nothing#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Steven,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave got  a twitter message from Lane Hartwell asking:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@davewiner: perhaps you could just respect those with ARR on their images and just opt them out. Isn’t that why CC licenses were invented?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He replied:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@lanehartwell, let me have a few days to get educated on these issues. though i’m sure there’s no obvious answer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Will she send him an invoice? I thought she had her Flickr library locked up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jpegs are designed to be internet safe copies of works. The jpeg creator can select the level of quality they wish to "give away". Automating "rights" management for jpegs is an enhancement request that Dave won't be able to resolve, IMHO, as he suggests.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,</p>

<p>Dave got  a twitter message from Lane Hartwell asking:</p>

<p>@davewiner: perhaps you could just respect those with ARR on their images and just opt them out. Isn’t that why CC licenses were invented?</p>

<p>He replied:</p>

<p>@lanehartwell, let me have a few days to get educated on these issues. though i’m sure there’s no obvious answer.</p>

<p>Will she send him an invoice? I thought she had her Flickr library locked up.</p>

<p>Jpegs are designed to be internet safe copies of works. The jpeg creator can select the level of quality they wish to &#8220;give away&#8221;. Automating &#8220;rights&#8221; management for jpegs is an enhancement request that Dave won&#8217;t be able to resolve, IMHO, as he suggests.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/flickrfan-much-ado-about-nothing#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems unlikely, unless you subscribe it to an RSS feed of photos that you don't have the rights to view... pulling from flickr for personal use is probably fine.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems unlikely, unless you subscribe it to an RSS feed of photos that you don&#8217;t have the rights to view&#8230; pulling from flickr for personal use is probably fine.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steven Hodson</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/flickrfan-much-ado-about-nothing#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Hodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so potentially every user of FlickrFan could be considered a copyright infringer depending on how they set it up to pull feeds.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so potentially every user of FlickrFan could be considered a copyright infringer depending on how they set it up to pull feeds.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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