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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/what-else-is-winer-squatting-on/comment-page-1#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you&#039;re wondering why Winer registered mendocinoavenue.com, I found out the reason on an investment tracking site called Startup Search. It&#039;s his corporate address in Berkeley:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://startupsearch.org/investor/scripting-news/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re wondering why Winer registered mendocinoavenue.com, I found out the reason on an investment tracking site called Startup Search. It&#8217;s his corporate address in Berkeley:</p>

<p><a href="http://startupsearch.org/investor/scripting-news/" rel="nofollow">http://startupsearch.org/investor/scripting-news/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/what-else-is-winer-squatting-on/comment-page-1#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PS&gt; OPML... OPML... I know, I know. &quot;Outline Processor Markup Language&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;XOXO - McD&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS&gt; OPML&#8230; OPML&#8230; I know, I know. &#8220;Outline Processor Markup Language&#8221;.</p>

<p>XOXO &#8211; McD</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/what-else-is-winer-squatting-on/comment-page-1#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Dave is Great&quot;: Wow. You really get Dave.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He is the most watchable &quot;train wreck&quot; on the internet: passionate, vindictive, complex and insanely human. The amount of effort expended, in vain, to try and &quot;fix&quot; Dave Winer has been amazing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Eventually, everyone who is on that short list of &quot;friends&quot; moves over the the long list of &quot;betrayers&quot;. Calacanis is just the latest to think Dave&#039;s a harmless &quot;Crazy Uncle&quot; and realize in a very public setting that Dave is constantly filtering all reality through a &quot;just exactly how does this benefit me?&quot; filter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jason Calacanis had 20 developer&#039;s in his home building a start-up in the incredibly complex market for search and he went to Gnomedex to attempt to market his effort... and in doing so he needed to define a problem (&quot;search has been compromised&quot;) and then declare that his start-up is an attempt to fix that problem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave quickly saw the flaw in Jason&#039;s premise: it doesn&#039;t help Dave one iota for Mahalo to prosper... It only helps Jason. OK. And many in the audience felt the same way. OK.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just remember one thing: Dave always throws friends under the bus. Because there&#039;s always a new one to be made.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mahalo, Dave.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jason got what his company needed most from Gnomedex... they are clearly identified as an &quot;underdog&quot; that is attempting to re-define search. I for one wish them well. There should be more competition for search... even if they are re-thinking of some old ideas: like Yahoo&#039;s directory. It&#039;s always about &quot;signal to noise&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;You can&#039;t stop the signal&quot;. But you can make a lot of noise. Dave&#039;s currently making noise again: noise about search, syndication formats, standards, and the expectations of &quot;friendship&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I love he guy... but I&#039;d never trust him as a friend. I just love what I can learn from his behavior and his projects. I am more like him than not and he shows me what doesn&#039;t work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Before I die, I&#039;d love to write something that has a positive impact on Dave Winer. It&#039;s always good to have goals.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only time I ever got a positve back from Dave was when I thanked him for giving us all gifts: the free OMPL Editor or example
and once when I (tongue in cheek) blogged about his terrible skills at marketing: &quot;OMPL is a file format, an Outiner, a cheese spread&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But then I go back o my old was... trying to help him see himself as others see him and apologize for being a bit self-centered and vindictive. I figure repetition might work. It hasn&#039;t yet.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dave is Great&#8221;: Wow. You really get Dave.</p>

<p>He is the most watchable &#8220;train wreck&#8221; on the internet: passionate, vindictive, complex and insanely human. The amount of effort expended, in vain, to try and &#8220;fix&#8221; Dave Winer has been amazing.</p>

<p>Eventually, everyone who is on that short list of &#8220;friends&#8221; moves over the the long list of &#8220;betrayers&#8221;. Calacanis is just the latest to think Dave&#8217;s a harmless &#8220;Crazy Uncle&#8221; and realize in a very public setting that Dave is constantly filtering all reality through a &#8220;just exactly how does this benefit me?&#8221; filter.</p>

<p>Jason Calacanis had 20 developer&#8217;s in his home building a start-up in the incredibly complex market for search and he went to Gnomedex to attempt to market his effort&#8230; and in doing so he needed to define a problem (&#8220;search has been compromised&#8221;) and then declare that his start-up is an attempt to fix that problem.</p>

<p>Dave quickly saw the flaw in Jason&#8217;s premise: it doesn&#8217;t help Dave one iota for Mahalo to prosper&#8230; It only helps Jason. OK. And many in the audience felt the same way. OK.</p>

<p>Just remember one thing: Dave always throws friends under the bus. Because there&#8217;s always a new one to be made.</p>

<p>Mahalo, Dave.</p>

<p>Jason got what his company needed most from Gnomedex&#8230; they are clearly identified as an &#8220;underdog&#8221; that is attempting to re-define search. I for one wish them well. There should be more competition for search&#8230; even if they are re-thinking of some old ideas: like Yahoo&#8217;s directory. It&#8217;s always about &#8220;signal to noise&#8221;.</p>

<p>&#8220;You can&#8217;t stop the signal&#8221;. But you can make a lot of noise. Dave&#8217;s currently making noise again: noise about search, syndication formats, standards, and the expectations of &#8220;friendship&#8221;.</p>

<p>I love he guy&#8230; but I&#8217;d never trust him as a friend. I just love what I can learn from his behavior and his projects. I am more like him than not and he shows me what doesn&#8217;t work.</p>

<p>Before I die, I&#8217;d love to write something that has a positive impact on Dave Winer. It&#8217;s always good to have goals.</p>

<p>The only time I ever got a positve back from Dave was when I thanked him for giving us all gifts: the free OMPL Editor or example
and once when I (tongue in cheek) blogged about his terrible skills at marketing: &#8220;OMPL is a file format, an Outiner, a cheese spread&#8221;.</p>

<p>But then I go back o my old was&#8230; trying to help him see himself as others see him and apologize for being a bit self-centered and vindictive. I figure repetition might work. It hasn&#8217;t yet.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dave Is Great!</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/what-else-is-winer-squatting-on/comment-page-1#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Is Great!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not really.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And not at all related to this Eye on Winer entry:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I used to think this site was petty. It is but...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) ... so am I! So I love it.
2) Dave continues to astonish me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I first heard the name when he turned off that blogging service and people raked him over the coals for doing it without warning. I felt sorry for him then.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then came the Adam Curry feud over podcasting. Winer seemed like kind of a dick, but I was willing to bet Adam had his flaws... and I felt &quot;There are two sides to every story; I probably don&#039;t know what went on.&quot; But Adam&#039;s explanation of how no one wanted to form a company with Dave was interesting.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then I discovered Dave&#039;s infantile RSS vs ATOM arguments with Sam Ruby and others. Really childish stuff.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then we have Dave Winer and Rogers (both of them?) Cadenhead, and the admittedly pretentious &quot;RSS Advisory Board.&quot; While I sympathize with Dave on this one, he doesn&#039;t get to &quot;Bang to gavel and end this little experiment&quot; when he wants to. Dave Winer doesn&#039;t get to end the board just by leaving it and declaring he is the Keeper of the Spec for All Time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And speaking of &quot;spec...&quot; Damn. His &quot;specs&quot; are childish nonsense. If Sun Microsystems specifications define the ridiculously formal, obtuse and overly academic end of the spectrum, Dave Winer&#039;s napkin-scribbling masterpieces define the other end.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Next I discovered the Dave Winer vs Tim O&#039;Reilly Foo Camp Hurt Feelings Extravaganza. Way to never get invited again; be a dick the first time you aren&#039;t invited! Sure, the camp is full of silly blowhards talking to themselves. It&#039;s a big mental wankathon, and it&#039;s exclusivity DOES make it insulated and somewhat irrelevant. But that criticism shouldn&#039;t come from you, Dave. You&#039;ve got too much in common with those folks; it is your tribe. And your complaints sound like sour grapes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then I see him leading a discussion at some conference. He is very rude to some audience members who disagree with his politics. He comes off wildly unprofessional.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Next I see him acting insane during the Calacanis commercial. So it was a commercial. So what? Dave gets to be a dick in public, again? Wait, there seems to be a Google-able record of him being a jerk at public events.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And then he continues to make it worse by wounded, self-justifying blog entries! That go on and on! Maybe he&#039;ll delete them soon; he does that a lot. Or rewrite them to make them seem more sane.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder why people like Don Park think he&#039;s done great work or brings great ideas to the table. He&#039;s a blowhard, and asshat, and a fool. He&#039;s untrustworthy, dishonest, self-important, arrogant, thin-skinned, and starving for attention. He&#039;s the living embodiment of some kind of reverse Boy Scouts Oath.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Plus he thinks he&#039;s a &quot;New York streetfighter.&quot; Nonsense.  He&#039;s a big baby who throws hissy fits. A real New York streetfighter could probably make him cry by looking at him intently.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, I am so glad he&#039;s with us. Its like having our own high-tech soap opera. He is like the drag queen Starina, in the movie The Birdcage; a highly annoying, totally dysfunctional, eminently watchable one-man show.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Watching human car wrecks is, admittedly, compelling.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really.</p>

<p>And not at all related to this Eye on Winer entry:</p>

<p>I used to think this site was petty. It is but&#8230;</p>

<p>1) &#8230; so am I! So I love it.
2) Dave continues to astonish me.</p>

<p>I first heard the name when he turned off that blogging service and people raked him over the coals for doing it without warning. I felt sorry for him then.</p>

<p>Then came the Adam Curry feud over podcasting. Winer seemed like kind of a dick, but I was willing to bet Adam had his flaws&#8230; and I felt &#8220;There are two sides to every story; I probably don&#8217;t know what went on.&#8221; But Adam&#8217;s explanation of how no one wanted to form a company with Dave was interesting.</p>

<p>Then I discovered Dave&#8217;s infantile RSS vs ATOM arguments with Sam Ruby and others. Really childish stuff.</p>

<p>Then we have Dave Winer and Rogers (both of them?) Cadenhead, and the admittedly pretentious &#8220;RSS Advisory Board.&#8221; While I sympathize with Dave on this one, he doesn&#8217;t get to &#8220;Bang to gavel and end this little experiment&#8221; when he wants to. Dave Winer doesn&#8217;t get to end the board just by leaving it and declaring he is the Keeper of the Spec for All Time.</p>

<p>And speaking of &#8220;spec&#8230;&#8221; Damn. His &#8220;specs&#8221; are childish nonsense. If Sun Microsystems specifications define the ridiculously formal, obtuse and overly academic end of the spectrum, Dave Winer&#8217;s napkin-scribbling masterpieces define the other end.</p>

<p>Next I discovered the Dave Winer vs Tim O&#8217;Reilly Foo Camp Hurt Feelings Extravaganza. Way to never get invited again; be a dick the first time you aren&#8217;t invited! Sure, the camp is full of silly blowhards talking to themselves. It&#8217;s a big mental wankathon, and it&#8217;s exclusivity DOES make it insulated and somewhat irrelevant. But that criticism shouldn&#8217;t come from you, Dave. You&#8217;ve got too much in common with those folks; it is your tribe. And your complaints sound like sour grapes.</p>

<p>Then I see him leading a discussion at some conference. He is very rude to some audience members who disagree with his politics. He comes off wildly unprofessional.</p>

<p>Next I see him acting insane during the Calacanis commercial. So it was a commercial. So what? Dave gets to be a dick in public, again? Wait, there seems to be a Google-able record of him being a jerk at public events.</p>

<p>And then he continues to make it worse by wounded, self-justifying blog entries! That go on and on! Maybe he&#8217;ll delete them soon; he does that a lot. Or rewrite them to make them seem more sane.</p>

<p>I wonder why people like Don Park think he&#8217;s done great work or brings great ideas to the table. He&#8217;s a blowhard, and asshat, and a fool. He&#8217;s untrustworthy, dishonest, self-important, arrogant, thin-skinned, and starving for attention. He&#8217;s the living embodiment of some kind of reverse Boy Scouts Oath.</p>

<p>Plus he thinks he&#8217;s a &#8220;New York streetfighter.&#8221; Nonsense.  He&#8217;s a big baby who throws hissy fits. A real New York streetfighter could probably make him cry by looking at him intently.</p>

<p>On the other hand, I am so glad he&#8217;s with us. Its like having our own high-tech soap opera. He is like the drag queen Starina, in the movie The Birdcage; a highly annoying, totally dysfunctional, eminently watchable one-man show.</p>

<p>Watching human car wrecks is, admittedly, compelling.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hosted at 67.18.151.44 (The Planet)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Bayareapodcasts.org&lt;br /&gt;
Twittergram.com&lt;br /&gt;
Worldoutline.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hosted at 67.18.151.44 (The Planet)</p>

<blockquote><p>
Bayareapodcasts.org<br />
Twittergram.com<br />
Worldoutline.com
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2007/what-else-is-winer-squatting-on/comment-page-1#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My personal favorites...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cutandrunnow.com
Davewinerfriends.com
Nickdentonwag.com
Nickirelan.com
Rssfund.com
Syndicationwars.com
Thumpin.net
Truetruths.org
Valeriewag.com
Valerywag.com
Whyapplesucks.com
Whygooglesucks.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal favorites&#8230;</p>

<p>Cutandrunnow.com
Davewinerfriends.com
Nickdentonwag.com
Nickirelan.com
Rssfund.com
Syndicationwars.com
Thumpin.net
Truetruths.org
Valeriewag.com
Valerywag.com
Whyapplesucks.com
Whygooglesucks.com</p>]]></content:encoded>
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