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	<title>Comments on: Dave Supports Lock-in</title>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-supports-lock-in/comment-page-1#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sanity Check, both parts are incredibly hypocritical. He&#039;s all about standards and not having lock in (how frustrated is he over the iPod and not being able to write Frontier code that moves songs to and from it?).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s just say he wanted to use a hash to do lock-in, it should be sent in an HTTP POST variable. That would be standards compliant. But no, he creates a new header which is completely out of spec. If someone did that to RSS 2.0 he would shit a brick.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To me there is no ethical difference between running OPML Editor in the background and running a Python script in the background to download AP/AFP photos. Only the first method takes 20% of my CPU and gobs of memory. The second takes 1-3% while it&#039;s downloading photos and nothing at all during the other 99% of the time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s no way I&#039;m going to run his scripting environment for any length of time. It&#039;s probably the single worst OS X application I have ever seen. It&#039;s beyond laughable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Google partnered with the AP to do a screensaver and pulled something like this, DW would probably talk about boycotting Google. Hell, if Apple automatically updated all of its users to a new version that included more lock in he would boycott Apple and write a letter to Steve Jobs. (It doesn&#039;t give you a choice, your OPML editor updates itself every hour from his server.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanity Check, both parts are incredibly hypocritical. He&#8217;s all about standards and not having lock in (how frustrated is he over the iPod and not being able to write Frontier code that moves songs to and from it?).</p>

<p>Let&#8217;s just say he wanted to use a hash to do lock-in, it should be sent in an HTTP POST variable. That would be standards compliant. But no, he creates a new header which is completely out of spec. If someone did that to RSS 2.0 he would shit a brick.</p>

<p>To me there is no ethical difference between running OPML Editor in the background and running a Python script in the background to download AP/AFP photos. Only the first method takes 20% of my CPU and gobs of memory. The second takes 1-3% while it&#8217;s downloading photos and nothing at all during the other 99% of the time.</p>

<p>There&#8217;s no way I&#8217;m going to run his scripting environment for any length of time. It&#8217;s probably the single worst OS X application I have ever seen. It&#8217;s beyond laughable.</p>

<p>If Google partnered with the AP to do a screensaver and pulled something like this, DW would probably talk about boycotting Google. Hell, if Apple automatically updated all of its users to a new version that included more lock in he would boycott Apple and write a letter to Steve Jobs. (It doesn&#8217;t give you a choice, your OPML editor updates itself every hour from his server.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-supports-lock-in/comment-page-1#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He also wants an API for data OTHERS enter into a system.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you honestly believe that Dave would be okay with this sort of behavior if it was Google doing the blocking?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He also wants an API for data OTHERS enter into a system.</p>

<p>Do you honestly believe that Dave would be okay with this sort of behavior if it was Google doing the blocking?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sanity Check</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-supports-lock-in/comment-page-1#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanity Check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Having custom headers is hardly hypocritical --- although in good faith all Dave had to do was prefix it with X-.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Locking down the feed is hardly hypocritical either: when did Dave ever complain about that?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And he wants API into data that users enter into systems, which doesn&#039;t qualify for these FlickrFan feeds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If we need something to grouse about, how about wondering how Dave ever qualifies for &quot;press&quot; passes?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having custom headers is hardly hypocritical &#8212; although in good faith all Dave had to do was prefix it with X-.</p>

<p>Locking down the feed is hardly hypocritical either: when did Dave ever complain about that?</p>

<p>And he wants API into data that users enter into systems, which doesn&#8217;t qualify for these FlickrFan feeds.</p>

<p>If we need something to grouse about, how about wondering how Dave ever qualifies for &#8220;press&#8221; passes?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-supports-lock-in/comment-page-1#comment-1195</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Inventing a new HTTP header to lock other people out of an RSS feed is incredible hypocrisy on Dave&#039;s part. If someone else did it he&#039;d declare that the company had broken RSS.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s also an incredibly inept technical solution. There are plenty of ways to move pictures from a server to a desktop client without exposing them in an RSS feed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There also are ways to put data in an RSS feed while limiting the readers that can access it. I guess this laughable hack means that Dave still doesn&#039;t have HTTPS support in his software.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inventing a new HTTP header to lock other people out of an RSS feed is incredible hypocrisy on Dave&#8217;s part. If someone else did it he&#8217;d declare that the company had broken RSS.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s also an incredibly inept technical solution. There are plenty of ways to move pictures from a server to a desktop client without exposing them in an RSS feed.</p>

<p>There also are ways to put data in an RSS feed while limiting the readers that can access it. I guess this laughable hack means that Dave still doesn&#8217;t have HTTPS support in his software.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-supports-lock-in/comment-page-1#comment-1194</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Dave negotiated an agreement with the AP and leaving the RSS feed wide open put him at risk of loosing the right to distribute the photos.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The behavior is also entirely consistent with a software programmer that emrged from the 80&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave&#039;s commitment to Open Source with Frontier was, IMHO, an exercise in getting his platform expanded to more systems without having to fund the ports. It didn&#039;t work and the few people that track the project are long-time users of Frontier that enjoy the reduced financial restrictions on continuing to use the software. It&#039;s a small but somewhat active group of Frontier folks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I love working through Dave&#039;s actions and this one is vintage Winery. His entire life&#039;s work is bound in that platform and his current passions are producing interesting media hacks based upon that functionality. He&#039;s NOT interested in seeing competitive software that takes his infrastructure and delivers similar or extended functionality.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave WANTS everyone to give him API&#039;s (Google, Yahoo, Twitter, Flickr) but he is NOT interested in creating API&#039;s for others to hack. His works are all gifts but he&#039;s NOT giving away the technology that make them tick.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the writing prompt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PS&gt; How did the rest of you feell about the Lakoff interview. I LOVED the information. It explains the current campaigns in ways that make everything a lot more clear. I loved hearing someone say what I have felt for months:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People want assistance with healthcare: insurance is NOT healthcare it&#039;s a control point that injures the care giver and the patient in ways that are at the heart of the problem. I&#039;d love to hear someone say that w.r.t. Universal Heathcare: insurance IS the problem even for those that have it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Dave negotiated an agreement with the AP and leaving the RSS feed wide open put him at risk of loosing the right to distribute the photos.</p>

<p>The behavior is also entirely consistent with a software programmer that emrged from the 80&#8242;s.</p>

<p>Dave&#8217;s commitment to Open Source with Frontier was, IMHO, an exercise in getting his platform expanded to more systems without having to fund the ports. It didn&#8217;t work and the few people that track the project are long-time users of Frontier that enjoy the reduced financial restrictions on continuing to use the software. It&#8217;s a small but somewhat active group of Frontier folks.</p>

<p>I love working through Dave&#8217;s actions and this one is vintage Winery. His entire life&#8217;s work is bound in that platform and his current passions are producing interesting media hacks based upon that functionality. He&#8217;s NOT interested in seeing competitive software that takes his infrastructure and delivers similar or extended functionality.</p>

<p>Dave WANTS everyone to give him API&#8217;s (Google, Yahoo, Twitter, Flickr) but he is NOT interested in creating API&#8217;s for others to hack. His works are all gifts but he&#8217;s NOT giving away the technology that make them tick.</p>

<p>Thanks for the writing prompt.</p>

<p>PS&gt; How did the rest of you feell about the Lakoff interview. I LOVED the information. It explains the current campaigns in ways that make everything a lot more clear. I loved hearing someone say what I have felt for months:</p>

<p>People want assistance with healthcare: insurance is NOT healthcare it&#8217;s a control point that injures the care giver and the patient in ways that are at the heart of the problem. I&#8217;d love to hear someone say that w.r.t. Universal Heathcare: insurance IS the problem even for those that have it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-supports-lock-in/comment-page-1#comment-1193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s it, but it&#039;s slightly more complicated because the hour string is actually a key in an array of data located somewhere else in the OPML editor. So you end up with a string like &#039;2notequals262008&#039; instead of &#039;221262008&#039;. Laughable regardless, but the whole adding a completely new HTTP header is what really gets me. That&#039;s so off the standard train it&#039;s amazing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it, but it&#8217;s slightly more complicated because the hour string is actually a key in an array of data located somewhere else in the OPML editor. So you end up with a string like &#8217;2notequals262008&#8242; instead of &#8217;221262008&#8242;. Laughable regardless, but the whole adding a completely new HTTP header is what really gets me. That&#8217;s so off the standard train it&#8217;s amazing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: randall</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-supports-lock-in/comment-page-1#comment-1192</link>
		<dc:creator>randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hash = string.hashmd5 (string (month) + string (hour) + string (day) + string (year))&lt;/p&gt;
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