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	<title>Comments on: Dave Winer Elevates the Discourse</title>
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	<description>Keeping an eye on Dave Winer</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI... Dave was trying to parody "Kill Bill" (Quentin Tarantino's epic pulp samuri move(s)) when he thought "Kill (You Know)" which is crazy because there is a real Bill that we'd all like to see retired from public life.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI&#8230; Dave was trying to parody &#8220;Kill Bill&#8221; (Quentin Tarantino&#8217;s epic pulp samuri move(s)) when he thought &#8220;Kill (You Know)&#8221; which is crazy because there is a real Bill that we&#8217;d all like to see retired from public life.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Wine-a-lot</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse#comment-1009</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine-a-lot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. God help us, now Dave has a platform on the Huffington Post?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. God help us, now Dave has a platform on the Huffington Post?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Wine-a-lot</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine-a-lot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read this blog on Google Reader, so I caught the Virgin Mobile spam that was hidden in a &#60;&#60;noscript&#62;.:
&#60;li&#62;Kill Hill&#60;noscript&#62;Rob your mobile &#60;a href="http://groups.google.com/group/abbie2637/web/virgin-mobile-ringtones"&#62;virgin mobile ringtones&#60;/a&#62; polyphonic ringtone.&#60;/noscript&#62; Kill Hill. &#60;a href="http://twitter.com/davewiner/statuses/645515732"&#62;06:01 PM January 26, 2008&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/li&#62;&#62;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How did this get here?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this blog on Google Reader, so I caught the Virgin Mobile spam that was hidden in a &lt;&lt;noscript&gt;.:
&lt;li&gt;Kill Hill&lt;noscript&gt;Rob your mobile &lt;a href=&#8221;http://groups.google.com/group/abbie2637/web/virgin-mobile-ringtones&#8221;&gt;virgin mobile ringtones&lt;/a&gt; polyphonic ringtone.&lt;/noscript&gt; Kill Hill. &lt;a href=&#8221;http://twitter.com/davewiner/statuses/645515732&#8243;&gt;06:01 PM January 26, 2008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&gt;</p>

<p>How did this get here?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carl Timothy</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;good catch, eye. the folks at valleywag caught on:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://valleywag.com/349733/blogger-calls-for-hillary-clintons-death&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good catch, eye. the folks at valleywag caught on:</p>

<p><a href="http://valleywag.com/349733/blogger-calls-for-hillary-clintons-death" rel="nofollow">http://valleywag.com/349733/blogger-calls-for-hillary-clintons-death</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI: Dave was watching the debate and twit'ing his reactions (without any context here) to statements that Hill, Obama and Edwards made. The only way to appreciate his "taling to the TV" with be to correlate these comments with a transcript of the debate and see what he was reacting to... he just assumes everyone in his "audience" was watching the debate and could see his reactions in real time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If viewed later without context they do seem like the ravings of a madman. Go figure... we live for these moments that prove Dave is actually certifiably unhinged... but alas, this is not evidence that a jury would accept after they see the context.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He's just a boor politically and not much of a pundit.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: Dave was watching the debate and twit&#8217;ing his reactions (without any context here) to statements that Hill, Obama and Edwards made. The only way to appreciate his &#8220;taling to the TV&#8221; with be to correlate these comments with a transcript of the debate and see what he was reacting to&#8230; he just assumes everyone in his &#8220;audience&#8221; was watching the debate and could see his reactions in real time.</p>

<p>If viewed later without context they do seem like the ravings of a madman. Go figure&#8230; we live for these moments that prove Dave is actually certifiably unhinged&#8230; but alas, this is not evidence that a jury would accept after they see the context.</p>

<p>He&#8217;s just a boor politically and not much of a pundit.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse#comment-1005</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This isn't very complicated. pmen has a pretty apt description... but it also comes down to this: Dave just doesn't understand domestic or foreign policy, period. They are just not within his sphere of knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He doesn't vote based on platform or principle, he votes for soundbites. Take, for example, one soundbite that so many people love to spout these days "Bush is an idiot." Okay, so his command of the English language is mediocre at best...  but since when does "X is an idiot" constitute political discourse?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do not like Hillary as a candidate one iota, nor to I care for Obama, but I can articulate reasons for it. Dave cannot. He's all emotion, which is why he talks about voting for the candidate who stands up for another candidate... something that has zero to do with what they're actually running for... it'd just make Dave feel warm and fuzzy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave talking politics is like a mentally handicapped 15 year old talking string theory.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t very complicated. pmen has a pretty apt description&#8230; but it also comes down to this: Dave just doesn&#8217;t understand domestic or foreign policy, period. They are just not within his sphere of knowledge.</p>

<p>He doesn&#8217;t vote based on platform or principle, he votes for soundbites. Take, for example, one soundbite that so many people love to spout these days &#8220;Bush is an idiot.&#8221; Okay, so his command of the English language is mediocre at best&#8230;  but since when does &#8220;X is an idiot&#8221; constitute political discourse?</p>

<p>I do not like Hillary as a candidate one iota, nor to I care for Obama, but I can articulate reasons for it. Dave cannot. He&#8217;s all emotion, which is why he talks about voting for the candidate who stands up for another candidate&#8230; something that has zero to do with what they&#8217;re actually running for&#8230; it&#8217;d just make Dave feel warm and fuzzy.</p>

<p>Dave talking politics is like a mentally handicapped 15 year old talking string theory.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Everything reminds me of sporting events these days.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a sports fan, it's considered okay to do the "your team stinks, no,  yours does," routine. Aside from a few drunken bar fights, no one gets hurt by that. But, if you try to discuss technical or skill-related differences between two players, someone saying, "Aw, he's crap," doesn't add to the discussion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That kind of attitude is prevalent in everyday life, and Dave's twitter feed is an example of it. He's not trying to discuss &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; we should vote for or against something. He's just trying to play the "Vote for Obama, 'cause Hillary stinks!" game. He's not the only one, but you'd think the Inventor of the Blog would take a little more time to form a real opinion.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything reminds me of sporting events these days.</p>

<p>As a sports fan, it&#8217;s considered okay to do the &#8220;your team stinks, no,  yours does,&#8221; routine. Aside from a few drunken bar fights, no one gets hurt by that. But, if you try to discuss technical or skill-related differences between two players, someone saying, &#8220;Aw, he&#8217;s crap,&#8221; doesn&#8217;t add to the discussion.</p>

<p>That kind of attitude is prevalent in everyday life, and Dave&#8217;s twitter feed is an example of it. He&#8217;s not trying to discuss <em>why</em> we should vote for or against something. He&#8217;s just trying to play the &#8220;Vote for Obama, &#8217;cause Hillary stinks!&#8221; game. He&#8217;s not the only one, but you&#8217;d think the Inventor of the Blog would take a little more time to form a real opinion.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: pmen</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>pmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know, a lot of the pro-Obama rhetoric has been annoying the hell out of me.  The guy is just a politician, he isn't the second coming of MLK and JFK.  And, even if he was, I would suggest that we be prepared for disappointment, because neither of them were the saints that they are made out to be by baby-boomers who are unable to let go of the heroic fantasies of their youth - if anything, their defining characteristic as a generation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But this is way more than your typical "supporting Obama lets me relive the fantasy that I somehow personally ended Jim Crow by marching in a demonstration or two at college" boomer nostalgia trip.  This is...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...childish.  Not just the fact that he is enraged by the possibility that someone might disagree with him about who should be the Democratic nominee - heck, I spend my share of time yelling at the TV, in the privacy of my own home.  Its the inability to express a coherent thought above the level of "fuck you," coupled with the compulsion to share his rage with the largest number of people possible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact that he has dedicated his life to this makes me almost as sad as the fact that he has been well compensated for it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, a lot of the pro-Obama rhetoric has been annoying the hell out of me.  The guy is just a politician, he isn&#8217;t the second coming of MLK and JFK.  And, even if he was, I would suggest that we be prepared for disappointment, because neither of them were the saints that they are made out to be by baby-boomers who are unable to let go of the heroic fantasies of their youth - if anything, their defining characteristic as a generation.</p>

<p>But this is way more than your typical &#8220;supporting Obama lets me relive the fantasy that I somehow personally ended Jim Crow by marching in a demonstration or two at college&#8221; boomer nostalgia trip.  This is&#8230;</p>

<p>&#8230;childish.  Not just the fact that he is enraged by the possibility that someone might disagree with him about who should be the Democratic nominee - heck, I spend my share of time yelling at the TV, in the privacy of my own home.  Its the inability to express a coherent thought above the level of &#8220;fuck you,&#8221; coupled with the compulsion to share his rage with the largest number of people possible.</p>

<p>The fact that he has dedicated his life to this makes me almost as sad as the fact that he has been well compensated for it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A concerned citizen should alert the US Secret Service...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A concerned citizen should alert the US Secret Service&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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