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	<description>Keeping an eye on Dave Winer</description>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse/comment-page-1#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI... Dave was trying to parody &quot;Kill Bill&quot; (Quentin Tarantino&#039;s epic pulp samuri move(s)) when he thought &quot;Kill (You Know)&quot; which is crazy because there is a real Bill that we&#039;d all like to see retired from public life.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI&#8230; Dave was trying to parody &#8220;Kill Bill&#8221; (Quentin Tarantino&#8217;s epic pulp samuri move(s)) when he thought &#8220;Kill (You Know)&#8221; which is crazy because there is a real Bill that we&#8217;d all like to see retired from public life.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Wine-a-lot</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse/comment-page-1#comment-1009</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine-a-lot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. God help us, now Dave has a platform on the Huffington Post?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. God help us, now Dave has a platform on the Huffington Post?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Wine-a-lot</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse/comment-page-1#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine-a-lot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read this blog on Google Reader, so I caught the Virgin Mobile spam that was hidden in a &lt;&lt;noscript&gt;.:
&lt;li&gt;Kill Hill&lt;noscript&gt;Rob your mobile &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/abbie2637/web/virgin-mobile-ringtones&quot;&gt;virgin mobile ringtones&lt;/a&gt; polyphonic ringtone.&lt;/noscript&gt; Kill Hill. &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/davewiner/statuses/645515732&quot;&gt;06:01 PM January 26, 2008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How did this get here?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this blog on Google Reader, so I caught the Virgin Mobile spam that was hidden in a &lt;&lt;noscript&gt;.:
&lt;li&gt;Kill Hill&lt;noscript&gt;Rob your mobile &lt;a href=&#8221;http://groups.google.com/group/abbie2637/web/virgin-mobile-ringtones&#8221;&gt;virgin mobile ringtones&lt;/a&gt; polyphonic ringtone.&lt;/noscript&gt; Kill Hill. &lt;a href=&#8221;http://twitter.com/davewiner/statuses/645515732&#8243;&gt;06:01 PM January 26, 2008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&gt;</p>

<p>How did this get here?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carl Timothy</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse/comment-page-1#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;good catch, eye. the folks at valleywag caught on:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://valleywag.com/349733/blogger-calls-for-hillary-clintons-death&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good catch, eye. the folks at valleywag caught on:</p>

<p><a href="http://valleywag.com/349733/blogger-calls-for-hillary-clintons-death" rel="nofollow">http://valleywag.com/349733/blogger-calls-for-hillary-clintons-death</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse/comment-page-1#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI: Dave was watching the debate and twit&#039;ing his reactions (without any context here) to statements that Hill, Obama and Edwards made. The only way to appreciate his &quot;taling to the TV&quot; with be to correlate these comments with a transcript of the debate and see what he was reacting to... he just assumes everyone in his &quot;audience&quot; was watching the debate and could see his reactions in real time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If viewed later without context they do seem like the ravings of a madman. Go figure... we live for these moments that prove Dave is actually certifiably unhinged... but alas, this is not evidence that a jury would accept after they see the context.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He&#039;s just a boor politically and not much of a pundit.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: Dave was watching the debate and twit&#8217;ing his reactions (without any context here) to statements that Hill, Obama and Edwards made. The only way to appreciate his &#8220;taling to the TV&#8221; with be to correlate these comments with a transcript of the debate and see what he was reacting to&#8230; he just assumes everyone in his &#8220;audience&#8221; was watching the debate and could see his reactions in real time.</p>

<p>If viewed later without context they do seem like the ravings of a madman. Go figure&#8230; we live for these moments that prove Dave is actually certifiably unhinged&#8230; but alas, this is not evidence that a jury would accept after they see the context.</p>

<p>He&#8217;s just a boor politically and not much of a pundit.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse/comment-page-1#comment-1005</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This isn&#039;t very complicated. pmen has a pretty apt description... but it also comes down to this: Dave just doesn&#039;t understand domestic or foreign policy, period. They are just not within his sphere of knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He doesn&#039;t vote based on platform or principle, he votes for soundbites. Take, for example, one soundbite that so many people love to spout these days &quot;Bush is an idiot.&quot; Okay, so his command of the English language is mediocre at best...  but since when does &quot;X is an idiot&quot; constitute political discourse?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do not like Hillary as a candidate one iota, nor to I care for Obama, but I can articulate reasons for it. Dave cannot. He&#039;s all emotion, which is why he talks about voting for the candidate who stands up for another candidate... something that has zero to do with what they&#039;re actually running for... it&#039;d just make Dave feel warm and fuzzy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave talking politics is like a mentally handicapped 15 year old talking string theory.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t very complicated. pmen has a pretty apt description&#8230; but it also comes down to this: Dave just doesn&#8217;t understand domestic or foreign policy, period. They are just not within his sphere of knowledge.</p>

<p>He doesn&#8217;t vote based on platform or principle, he votes for soundbites. Take, for example, one soundbite that so many people love to spout these days &#8220;Bush is an idiot.&#8221; Okay, so his command of the English language is mediocre at best&#8230;  but since when does &#8220;X is an idiot&#8221; constitute political discourse?</p>

<p>I do not like Hillary as a candidate one iota, nor to I care for Obama, but I can articulate reasons for it. Dave cannot. He&#8217;s all emotion, which is why he talks about voting for the candidate who stands up for another candidate&#8230; something that has zero to do with what they&#8217;re actually running for&#8230; it&#8217;d just make Dave feel warm and fuzzy.</p>

<p>Dave talking politics is like a mentally handicapped 15 year old talking string theory.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse/comment-page-1#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Everything reminds me of sporting events these days.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a sports fan, it&#039;s considered okay to do the &quot;your team stinks, no,  yours does,&quot; routine. Aside from a few drunken bar fights, no one gets hurt by that. But, if you try to discuss technical or skill-related differences between two players, someone saying, &quot;Aw, he&#039;s crap,&quot; doesn&#039;t add to the discussion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That kind of attitude is prevalent in everyday life, and Dave&#039;s twitter feed is an example of it. He&#039;s not trying to discuss &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; we should vote for or against something. He&#039;s just trying to play the &quot;Vote for Obama, &#039;cause Hillary stinks!&quot; game. He&#039;s not the only one, but you&#039;d think the Inventor of the Blog would take a little more time to form a real opinion.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything reminds me of sporting events these days.</p>

<p>As a sports fan, it&#8217;s considered okay to do the &#8220;your team stinks, no,  yours does,&#8221; routine. Aside from a few drunken bar fights, no one gets hurt by that. But, if you try to discuss technical or skill-related differences between two players, someone saying, &#8220;Aw, he&#8217;s crap,&#8221; doesn&#8217;t add to the discussion.</p>

<p>That kind of attitude is prevalent in everyday life, and Dave&#8217;s twitter feed is an example of it. He&#8217;s not trying to discuss <em>why</em> we should vote for or against something. He&#8217;s just trying to play the &#8220;Vote for Obama, &#8217;cause Hillary stinks!&#8221; game. He&#8217;s not the only one, but you&#8217;d think the Inventor of the Blog would take a little more time to form a real opinion.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: pmen</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-elevates-the-discourse/comment-page-1#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>pmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know, a lot of the pro-Obama rhetoric has been annoying the hell out of me.  The guy is just a politician, he isn&#039;t the second coming of MLK and JFK.  And, even if he was, I would suggest that we be prepared for disappointment, because neither of them were the saints that they are made out to be by baby-boomers who are unable to let go of the heroic fantasies of their youth - if anything, their defining characteristic as a generation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But this is way more than your typical &quot;supporting Obama lets me relive the fantasy that I somehow personally ended Jim Crow by marching in a demonstration or two at college&quot; boomer nostalgia trip.  This is...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...childish.  Not just the fact that he is enraged by the possibility that someone might disagree with him about who should be the Democratic nominee - heck, I spend my share of time yelling at the TV, in the privacy of my own home.  Its the inability to express a coherent thought above the level of &quot;fuck you,&quot; coupled with the compulsion to share his rage with the largest number of people possible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact that he has dedicated his life to this makes me almost as sad as the fact that he has been well compensated for it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, a lot of the pro-Obama rhetoric has been annoying the hell out of me.  The guy is just a politician, he isn&#8217;t the second coming of MLK and JFK.  And, even if he was, I would suggest that we be prepared for disappointment, because neither of them were the saints that they are made out to be by baby-boomers who are unable to let go of the heroic fantasies of their youth &#8211; if anything, their defining characteristic as a generation.</p>

<p>But this is way more than your typical &#8220;supporting Obama lets me relive the fantasy that I somehow personally ended Jim Crow by marching in a demonstration or two at college&#8221; boomer nostalgia trip.  This is&#8230;</p>

<p>&#8230;childish.  Not just the fact that he is enraged by the possibility that someone might disagree with him about who should be the Democratic nominee &#8211; heck, I spend my share of time yelling at the TV, in the privacy of my own home.  Its the inability to express a coherent thought above the level of &#8220;fuck you,&#8221; coupled with the compulsion to share his rage with the largest number of people possible.</p>

<p>The fact that he has dedicated his life to this makes me almost as sad as the fact that he has been well compensated for it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A concerned citizen should alert the US Secret Service...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A concerned citizen should alert the US Secret Service&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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