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	<title>Comments on: Dave Winer&#8217;s Hypocrisy on Rev. Wright</title>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 12:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;See this is so boring it puts me to sleep.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why am I not shocked? The most intelligent people I know are always fascinated to be called out, proven wrong, intellectually bested, or otherwise challenged on their thoughts, opinions, or consistency.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For Dave, it&#039;s &quot;boring&quot; to have someone come in and lay bare the fact that, despite claiming to be an &quot;independent&quot;, he&#039;s really just a liberal shill.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;See this is so boring it puts me to sleep.&#8221;</p>

<p>Why am I not shocked? The most intelligent people I know are always fascinated to be called out, proven wrong, intellectually bested, or otherwise challenged on their thoughts, opinions, or consistency.</p>

<p>For Dave, it&#8217;s &#8220;boring&#8221; to have someone come in and lay bare the fact that, despite claiming to be an &#8220;independent&#8221;, he&#8217;s really just a liberal shill.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1321</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hilarious. Winer spouts off about Marco being anonymous and then he&#039;s called on it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It won&#039;t change winer&#039;s opinion. You&#039;re either with winer or against him. He&#039;s a man-child.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious. Winer spouts off about Marco being anonymous and then he&#8217;s called on it.</p>

<p>It won&#8217;t change winer&#8217;s opinion. You&#8217;re either with winer or against him. He&#8217;s a man-child.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;some person with no last name whose first name most likely isn’t even Marco is not happy about something I wrote&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What is the point of this comment, if not to declare that you are an important person while Marco is a nobody beneath your notice? What an asshole.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;some person with no last name whose first name most likely isn’t even Marco is not happy about something I wrote&#8221;</p>

<p>What is the point of this comment, if not to declare that you are an important person while Marco is a nobody beneath your notice? What an asshole.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Marco Nunez</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco Nunez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Believe it or not I was able to post this comment AND read your posts on Comcast yesterday (which for what it is worth I thought were very informative).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am a little stymied by the fact that he keeps using phrases like &quot;you can have this kind of thing on your site not mine&quot; - my follow up comment was not meant to draw Dave into further conversation and nothing I have said thus far has demanded that Dave must allow every comment on his own blog.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I appreciate that he must receive several anonymous detractors - I am not one of them - Marco is indeed my real name http://www.linkedin.com/in/marconunez&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not I was able to post this comment AND read your posts on Comcast yesterday (which for what it is worth I thought were very informative).</p>

<p>I am a little stymied by the fact that he keeps using phrases like &#8220;you can have this kind of thing on your site not mine&#8221; &#8211; my follow up comment was not meant to draw Dave into further conversation and nothing I have said thus far has demanded that Dave must allow every comment on his own blog.</p>

<p>I appreciate that he must receive several anonymous detractors &#8211; I am not one of them &#8211; Marco is indeed my real name <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/marconunez" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/in/marconunez</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dave Winer</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Winer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;See this is so boring it puts me to sleep. You can have this shit on your site, I don&#039;t want it on mine. Look at the thread we have today about Comcast. Tons of data there. If you didn&#039;t know much about Comcast and read that all of a suden you&#039;d know a lot more. If you read Marco&#039;s comment you&#039;d know that some person with no last name whose first name most likely isn&#039;t even Marco is not happy about something I wrote. Your mother may care, even Bullshit Mancuso might care but trust me, no one else does.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See this is so boring it puts me to sleep. You can have this shit on your site, I don&#8217;t want it on mine. Look at the thread we have today about Comcast. Tons of data there. If you didn&#8217;t know much about Comcast and read that all of a suden you&#8217;d know a lot more. If you read Marco&#8217;s comment you&#8217;d know that some person with no last name whose first name most likely isn&#8217;t even Marco is not happy about something I wrote. Your mother may care, even Bullshit Mancuso might care but trust me, no one else does.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Again, to clarify, while it is not hard to ascertain that I disagree with Dave on issues of ideology my decision to engage had nothing to do with the exact content of his statements on Wright and everything to do with the drastic departure they represented from past statements about McCain and others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact is that I agree passionately with him about the need for a change in the way we discuss issues as a society and I strongly believe that the innovations of social media apps will continue to provide us a way to do that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Had he never made any statements indicating a desire to see changes in the way we debate ideas I never would have bothered.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can disagree with the ideological underpinnings of the Democratic Party or candidates like Obama while still granting that they are ideas presented by good people who ultimately desire what is best for the nation at large. While it is easy to identify that approach as one that is central to our ability to change the reality is that we will continue to propagate the status quo unless individuals like Dave who are looked to as thought leaders within their social networks take the first step.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, to clarify, while it is not hard to ascertain that I disagree with Dave on issues of ideology my decision to engage had nothing to do with the exact content of his statements on Wright and everything to do with the drastic departure they represented from past statements about McCain and others.</p>

<p>The fact is that I agree passionately with him about the need for a change in the way we discuss issues as a society and I strongly believe that the innovations of social media apps will continue to provide us a way to do that.</p>

<p>Had he never made any statements indicating a desire to see changes in the way we debate ideas I never would have bothered.</p>

<p>I can disagree with the ideological underpinnings of the Democratic Party or candidates like Obama while still granting that they are ideas presented by good people who ultimately desire what is best for the nation at large. While it is easy to identify that approach as one that is central to our ability to change the reality is that we will continue to propagate the status quo unless individuals like Dave who are looked to as thought leaders within their social networks take the first step.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1316</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, a quick read of his comment suggests that he disagrees with the way you regularly look to make excuses for those whose political ideologies you agree with while you&#039;re so strikingly quick to condemn those whose political philosophies differ. He also seems to believe (and I agree) that you don&#039;t adhere to the same standards that you expect from others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It may be a meta disagreement, but it&#039;s certainly not a personal attack.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Further, I&#039;ll add, he didn&#039;t call you a hypocrite. He said that one pair of behaviors was hypocritical. Remarkable difference there... the only &quot;name&quot; he called you in his comment was &quot;Dave&quot;, and I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s acceptable.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a quick read of his comment suggests that he disagrees with the way you regularly look to make excuses for those whose political ideologies you agree with while you&#8217;re so strikingly quick to condemn those whose political philosophies differ. He also seems to believe (and I agree) that you don&#8217;t adhere to the same standards that you expect from others.</p>

<p>It may be a meta disagreement, but it&#8217;s certainly not a personal attack.</p>

<p>Further, I&#8217;ll add, he didn&#8217;t call you a hypocrite. He said that one pair of behaviors was hypocritical. Remarkable difference there&#8230; the only &#8220;name&#8221; he called you in his comment was &#8220;Dave&#8221;, and I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s acceptable.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dave Winer</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Winer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay, I&#039;ll probably regret this -- but I&#039;ll play along.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What was he disagreeing with me about? I got that he was insulted and was calling me a hypocrite and some other names (very illuminating!), I didn&#039;t see much else other than a disclaimer it might be hard to believe it wasn&#039;t a shrill attack.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Reminds me of the Dale Bumpers line where he said &quot;If they say this is not about sex -- it&#039;s about sex.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://mp3.morningcoffeenotes.com/itsAboutSex.mp3&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of the greatest. Quotes. Ever! :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll probably regret this &#8212; but I&#8217;ll play along.</p>

<p>What was he disagreeing with me about? I got that he was insulted and was calling me a hypocrite and some other names (very illuminating!), I didn&#8217;t see much else other than a disclaimer it might be hard to believe it wasn&#8217;t a shrill attack.</p>

<p>Reminds me of the Dale Bumpers line where he said &#8220;If they say this is not about sex &#8212; it&#8217;s about sex.&#8221;</p>

<p><a href="http://mp3.morningcoffeenotes.com/itsAboutSex.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://mp3.morningcoffeenotes.com/itsAboutSex.mp3</a></p>

<p>One of the greatest. Quotes. Ever! <img src='http://eyeonwiner.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winers-hypocrisy-on-rev-wright/comment-page-1#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I don’t see what the big problem is.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course not. Denial is a wonderful little tool that helps us to avoid facing things about ourselves that we&#039;d find unpalatable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I told him if he wanted to make it personal do it in his own space.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As we&#039;ve covered here before, at length, any disagreement with Dave is &quot;personal&quot;, unless it&#039;s tempered with enough praise. Looks like Marco didn&#039;t lay it on thick enough.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t see what the big problem is.&#8221;</p>

<p>Of course not. Denial is a wonderful little tool that helps us to avoid facing things about ourselves that we&#8217;d find unpalatable.</p>

<p>&#8220;I told him if he wanted to make it personal do it in his own space.&#8221;</p>

<p>As we&#8217;ve covered here before, at length, any disagreement with Dave is &#8220;personal&#8221;, unless it&#8217;s tempered with enough praise. Looks like Marco didn&#8217;t lay it on thick enough.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: abacab</title>
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		<dc:creator>abacab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t see what the problem is.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is ANYONE surprised by this?  Douchebaggery at its finest.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t see what the problem is.&#8221;</p>

<p>Is ANYONE surprised by this?  Douchebaggery at its finest.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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