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	<title>Comments on: Dave&#8217;s AP Essay Rife With Hypocrisy</title>
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		<title>By: Wine-a-lot</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-1384</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine-a-lot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Notice his latest post about how to follow NewsJunk through Facebook (as if any people but wineophiles care)? He set up a Facebook profile under the name &quot;John Newsjunk,&quot; which you must friend-request. As one of the commenters asked, how long before Facebook deletes the account because it isn&#039;t a real person?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://newsjunk.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/how-to-follow-newsjunk-on-facebook/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice his latest post about how to follow NewsJunk through Facebook (as if any people but wineophiles care)? He set up a Facebook profile under the name &#8220;John Newsjunk,&#8221; which you must friend-request. As one of the commenters asked, how long before Facebook deletes the account because it isn&#8217;t a real person?</p>

<p><a href="http://newsjunk.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/how-to-follow-newsjunk-on-facebook/" rel="nofollow">http://newsjunk.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/how-to-follow-newsjunk-on-facebook/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-1383</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dave Winer&#039;s behavior is unpredictable. But there are a few statistically significant patterns:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) If there&#039;s a mob forming to organize against some person, group or company he will typically start defending the entity under attack. he typically justifies this as a function of empathy because he is attacked so often.
He&#039;s also a confirmed contrarian.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I enjoyed about his defense of the AP&#039;s tactic of using the DMCA was the extended context of his relationship with Roger Cadenhead.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Roger made the mistake of doing business with Dave Winer and paid the price: a legal attack with a demand for all the money Roger&#039;s made working for Dave on a website and the loss of a web site that Roger&#039;s invested in as well: a &quot;share your opml&quot; type of service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave is able to disclose details about his working relationship with some folks at the AP but his only reference to Rogers is as &quot;the blogger&quot;. No empathy or link love for his offending ex-partner in business.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave&#039;s ability to disclose context and bias is not one of his better qualities but maybe his self-editing is an effort not to do more harm against the man that saved &quot;weblogs.com&quot; from a complete melt down as blogging took off and started to bury the Frontier-based implementation of the ping service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave subsequently sold weblogs.com for $2.17M as I recall. Arrington negotiated the sale.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave never forgets offenses... it&#039;s the assistance and favors he seems to have problems remembering.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For while when anyone mentions &quot;the Blogger&quot; I&#039;ll think of Rogers Cadenhead. The man that gave away &quot;BenedictXVI.com&quot;. The man that wrote the &quot;Radio UserLand Kick Start&quot; book. The man that defended and manged the RSS Advisory Board against the emerging Atom standard (eventually admitting RSS was frozen and controlled one person and was now a dead end spec).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, I&#039;ll think of Rogers Cadenhead as &quot;the blogger&quot;. Because I can&#039;t think of anything else that might distinguish him from that tribe of freeloading, do nothing &quot;content&quot; thieves.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(I feel a bit like Olberman must... after a manic self-righteous rant).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Winer&#8217;s behavior is unpredictable. But there are a few statistically significant patterns:</p>

<p>1) If there&#8217;s a mob forming to organize against some person, group or company he will typically start defending the entity under attack. he typically justifies this as a function of empathy because he is attacked so often.
He&#8217;s also a confirmed contrarian.</p>

<p>What I enjoyed about his defense of the AP&#8217;s tactic of using the DMCA was the extended context of his relationship with Roger Cadenhead.</p>

<p>Roger made the mistake of doing business with Dave Winer and paid the price: a legal attack with a demand for all the money Roger&#8217;s made working for Dave on a website and the loss of a web site that Roger&#8217;s invested in as well: a &#8220;share your opml&#8221; type of service.</p>

<p>Dave is able to disclose details about his working relationship with some folks at the AP but his only reference to Rogers is as &#8220;the blogger&#8221;. No empathy or link love for his offending ex-partner in business.</p>

<p>Dave&#8217;s ability to disclose context and bias is not one of his better qualities but maybe his self-editing is an effort not to do more harm against the man that saved &#8220;weblogs.com&#8221; from a complete melt down as blogging took off and started to bury the Frontier-based implementation of the ping service.</p>

<p>Dave subsequently sold weblogs.com for $2.17M as I recall. Arrington negotiated the sale.</p>

<p>Dave never forgets offenses&#8230; it&#8217;s the assistance and favors he seems to have problems remembering.</p>

<p>For while when anyone mentions &#8220;the Blogger&#8221; I&#8217;ll think of Rogers Cadenhead. The man that gave away &#8220;BenedictXVI.com&#8221;. The man that wrote the &#8220;Radio UserLand Kick Start&#8221; book. The man that defended and manged the RSS Advisory Board against the emerging Atom standard (eventually admitting RSS was frozen and controlled one person and was now a dead end spec).</p>

<p>Yes, I&#8217;ll think of Rogers Cadenhead as &#8220;the blogger&#8221;. Because I can&#8217;t think of anything else that might distinguish him from that tribe of freeloading, do nothing &#8220;content&#8221; thieves.</p>

<p>(I feel a bit like Olberman must&#8230; after a manic self-righteous rant).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dave&#039;s position is so inconsistent with his own interests, as a blogger, &quot;media hacker&quot; and a person whose software is reproducing AP content for public use on NewsJunk, that you just have to sit back and marvel. This is a person whose entire self is formed anew each day based entirely on his grievances. I hope AP takes him up on his offer to testify against bloggers who quote its stories. It would be his crowning achievement in hypocrisy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8217;s position is so inconsistent with his own interests, as a blogger, &#8220;media hacker&#8221; and a person whose software is reproducing AP content for public use on NewsJunk, that you just have to sit back and marvel. This is a person whose entire self is formed anew each day based entirely on his grievances. I hope AP takes him up on his offer to testify against bloggers who quote its stories. It would be his crowning achievement in hypocrisy.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EvilMole</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilMole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The fact that Rogers Cadenhead is involved, with whom Dave has some (ahem) &quot;history&quot;, may also be a factor.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Rogers Cadenhead is involved, with whom Dave has some (ahem) &#8220;history&#8221;, may also be a factor.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zaphodim</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-1379</link>
		<dc:creator>zaphodim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also note the hypocrisy in his essay &quot;Who owns your comments?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/06/09/whoOwnsYourComments.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I decided that it&#039;s a mutual thing. I own the collection of comments on my blog, and you own the comments you&#039;ve placed on my blog and all others.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ok mister hypocrite winer, if someone owns the comments they posted to your blog, what gives you the right to erase them, since they aren&#039;t your exclusive property?  Because we all know you delete comments whenever it suits you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also note the hypocrisy in his essay &#8220;Who owns your comments?&#8221;</p>

<p><a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/06/09/whoOwnsYourComments.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/06/09/whoOwnsYourComments.html</a></p>

<p>&#8220;I decided that it&#8217;s a mutual thing. I own the collection of comments on my blog, and you own the comments you&#8217;ve placed on my blog and all others.&#8221;</p>

<p>Ok mister hypocrite winer, if someone owns the comments they posted to your blog, what gives you the right to erase them, since they aren&#8217;t your exclusive property?  Because we all know you delete comments whenever it suits you.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think his benevolence might have something to do with the AP starting all this by going after someone Dave was suing not more than a couple months ago.  Having opinions based completely on emotion means never having to say you’re a hypocrite.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think his benevolence might have something to do with the AP starting all this by going after someone Dave was suing not more than a couple months ago.  Having opinions based completely on emotion means never having to say you’re a hypocrite.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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