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	<title>Comments on: Dave&#8217;s AP Essay Rife With Hypocrisy</title>
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	<description>Keeping an eye on Dave Winer</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wine-a-lot</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy#comment-1384</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine-a-lot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Notice his latest post about how to follow NewsJunk through Facebook (as if any people but wineophiles care)? He set up a Facebook profile under the name "John Newsjunk," which you must friend-request. As one of the commenters asked, how long before Facebook deletes the account because it isn't a real person?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://newsjunk.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/how-to-follow-newsjunk-on-facebook/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice his latest post about how to follow NewsJunk through Facebook (as if any people but wineophiles care)? He set up a Facebook profile under the name &#8220;John Newsjunk,&#8221; which you must friend-request. As one of the commenters asked, how long before Facebook deletes the account because it isn&#8217;t a real person?</p>

<p><a href="http://newsjunk.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/how-to-follow-newsjunk-on-facebook/" rel="nofollow">http://newsjunk.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/how-to-follow-newsjunk-on-facebook/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy#comment-1383</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dave Winer's behavior is unpredictable. But there are a few statistically significant patterns:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) If there's a mob forming to organize against some person, group or company he will typically start defending the entity under attack. he typically justifies this as a function of empathy because he is attacked so often.
He's also a confirmed contrarian.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I enjoyed about his defense of the AP's tactic of using the DMCA was the extended context of his relationship with Roger Cadenhead.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Roger made the mistake of doing business with Dave Winer and paid the price: a legal attack with a demand for all the money Roger's made working for Dave on a website and the loss of a web site that Roger's invested in as well: a "share your opml" type of service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave is able to disclose details about his working relationship with some folks at the AP but his only reference to Rogers is as "the blogger". No empathy or link love for his offending ex-partner in business.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave's ability to disclose context and bias is not one of his better qualities but maybe his self-editing is an effort not to do more harm against the man that saved "weblogs.com" from a complete melt down as blogging took off and started to bury the Frontier-based implementation of the ping service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave subsequently sold weblogs.com for $2.17M as I recall. Arrington negotiated the sale.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave never forgets offenses... it's the assistance and favors he seems to have problems remembering.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For while when anyone mentions "the Blogger" I'll think of Rogers Cadenhead. The man that gave away "BenedictXVI.com". The man that wrote the "Radio UserLand Kick Start" book. The man that defended and manged the RSS Advisory Board against the emerging Atom standard (eventually admitting RSS was frozen and controlled one person and was now a dead end spec).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, I'll think of Rogers Cadenhead as "the blogger". Because I can't think of anything else that might distinguish him from that tribe of freeloading, do nothing "content" thieves.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(I feel a bit like Olberman must... after a manic self-righteous rant).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Winer&#8217;s behavior is unpredictable. But there are a few statistically significant patterns:</p>

<p>1) If there&#8217;s a mob forming to organize against some person, group or company he will typically start defending the entity under attack. he typically justifies this as a function of empathy because he is attacked so often.
He&#8217;s also a confirmed contrarian.</p>

<p>What I enjoyed about his defense of the AP&#8217;s tactic of using the DMCA was the extended context of his relationship with Roger Cadenhead.</p>

<p>Roger made the mistake of doing business with Dave Winer and paid the price: a legal attack with a demand for all the money Roger&#8217;s made working for Dave on a website and the loss of a web site that Roger&#8217;s invested in as well: a &#8220;share your opml&#8221; type of service.</p>

<p>Dave is able to disclose details about his working relationship with some folks at the AP but his only reference to Rogers is as &#8220;the blogger&#8221;. No empathy or link love for his offending ex-partner in business.</p>

<p>Dave&#8217;s ability to disclose context and bias is not one of his better qualities but maybe his self-editing is an effort not to do more harm against the man that saved &#8220;weblogs.com&#8221; from a complete melt down as blogging took off and started to bury the Frontier-based implementation of the ping service.</p>

<p>Dave subsequently sold weblogs.com for $2.17M as I recall. Arrington negotiated the sale.</p>

<p>Dave never forgets offenses&#8230; it&#8217;s the assistance and favors he seems to have problems remembering.</p>

<p>For while when anyone mentions &#8220;the Blogger&#8221; I&#8217;ll think of Rogers Cadenhead. The man that gave away &#8220;BenedictXVI.com&#8221;. The man that wrote the &#8220;Radio UserLand Kick Start&#8221; book. The man that defended and manged the RSS Advisory Board against the emerging Atom standard (eventually admitting RSS was frozen and controlled one person and was now a dead end spec).</p>

<p>Yes, I&#8217;ll think of Rogers Cadenhead as &#8220;the blogger&#8221;. Because I can&#8217;t think of anything else that might distinguish him from that tribe of freeloading, do nothing &#8220;content&#8221; thieves.</p>

<p>(I feel a bit like Olberman must&#8230; after a manic self-righteous rant).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dave's position is so inconsistent with his own interests, as a blogger, "media hacker" and a person whose software is reproducing AP content for public use on NewsJunk, that you just have to sit back and marvel. This is a person whose entire self is formed anew each day based entirely on his grievances. I hope AP takes him up on his offer to testify against bloggers who quote its stories. It would be his crowning achievement in hypocrisy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8217;s position is so inconsistent with his own interests, as a blogger, &#8220;media hacker&#8221; and a person whose software is reproducing AP content for public use on NewsJunk, that you just have to sit back and marvel. This is a person whose entire self is formed anew each day based entirely on his grievances. I hope AP takes him up on his offer to testify against bloggers who quote its stories. It would be his crowning achievement in hypocrisy.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EvilMole</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilMole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The fact that Rogers Cadenhead is involved, with whom Dave has some (ahem) "history", may also be a factor.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Rogers Cadenhead is involved, with whom Dave has some (ahem) &#8220;history&#8221;, may also be a factor.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zaphodim</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy#comment-1379</link>
		<dc:creator>zaphodim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also note the hypocrisy in his essay "Who owns your comments?"&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/06/09/whoOwnsYourComments.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"I decided that it's a mutual thing. I own the collection of comments on my blog, and you own the comments you've placed on my blog and all others."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ok mister hypocrite winer, if someone owns the comments they posted to your blog, what gives you the right to erase them, since they aren't your exclusive property?  Because we all know you delete comments whenever it suits you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also note the hypocrisy in his essay &#8220;Who owns your comments?&#8221;</p>

<p><a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/06/09/whoOwnsYourComments.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/06/09/whoOwnsYourComments.html</a></p>

<p>&#8220;I decided that it&#8217;s a mutual thing. I own the collection of comments on my blog, and you own the comments you&#8217;ve placed on my blog and all others.&#8221;</p>

<p>Ok mister hypocrite winer, if someone owns the comments they posted to your blog, what gives you the right to erase them, since they aren&#8217;t your exclusive property?  Because we all know you delete comments whenever it suits you.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/daves-ap-essay-rife-with-hypocrisy#comment-1378</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think his benevolence might have something to do with the AP starting all this by going after someone Dave was suing not more than a couple months ago.  Having opinions based completely on emotion means never having to say you’re a hypocrite.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think his benevolence might have something to do with the AP starting all this by going after someone Dave was suing not more than a couple months ago.  Having opinions based completely on emotion means never having to say you’re a hypocrite.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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