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	<title>Comments on: Eye on Scoble</title>
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	<description>Keeping an eye on Dave Winer</description>
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		<title>By: zaphodim</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>zaphodim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Plaxo has been in trouble several times for spamming. Their basic method is to grab data from any available source (like your computer&#039;s email address book) and spam them with an invitation in your name to join Plaxo.
Scoble said that 1800 of his 5000 Facebook friends were already in Plaxo. That means his Plaxo data scrape would have resulted in 3200 spams from Plaxo. Facebook is doing the right thing to restrict data scraping bots that will only result in spam and irritation for Facebook users. Some people see any online service as a resource for spamming and other evils.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plaxo has been in trouble several times for spamming. Their basic method is to grab data from any available source (like your computer&#8217;s email address book) and spam them with an invitation in your name to join Plaxo.
Scoble said that 1800 of his 5000 Facebook friends were already in Plaxo. That means his Plaxo data scrape would have resulted in 3200 spams from Plaxo. Facebook is doing the right thing to restrict data scraping bots that will only result in spam and irritation for Facebook users. Some people see any online service as a resource for spamming and other evils.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-900</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Downloading the &quot;fix&quot; wouldn&#039;t really save him from liability. The damage is done - there&#039;s no putting the genie back in the bottle. Besides, I&#039;ve turned the app off, but I still have those images... to say nothing of the nightly backups I do... somewhere I have every image the thing downloaded.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have a feeling that the AP is going to be unhappy with the implementation, even if they agreed with the idea in theory.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downloading the &#8220;fix&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t really save him from liability. The damage is done &#8211; there&#8217;s no putting the genie back in the bottle. Besides, I&#8217;ve turned the app off, but I still have those images&#8230; to say nothing of the nightly backups I do&#8230; somewhere I have every image the thing downloaded.</p>

<p>I have a feeling that the AP is going to be unhappy with the implementation, even if they agreed with the idea in theory.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-899</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Many of Dave innovations are hacks to re-purpose old media&#039;s content.
Like his newsriver of NY Times &quot;mobile&quot; pages. He subscribed to the servic and then hacked another &quot;portal&quot; to the content.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He just gets away with anything he can hack. Amazing. The NY Times techies actually met with him.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Usually there&#039;s no real &quot;business&quot; that emerges from these hacks but he keeps pushing them out as innovative uses of the web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With all networking the hard part is doing something cool, legal and sustainable. Dave gets &quot;cool&quot; but the details escape him.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of Dave innovations are hacks to re-purpose old media&#8217;s content.
Like his newsriver of NY Times &#8220;mobile&#8221; pages. He subscribed to the servic and then hacked another &#8220;portal&#8221; to the content.</p>

<p>He just gets away with anything he can hack. Amazing. The NY Times techies actually met with him.</p>

<p>Usually there&#8217;s no real &#8220;business&#8221; that emerges from these hacks but he keeps pushing them out as innovative uses of the web.</p>

<p>With all networking the hard part is doing something cool, legal and sustainable. Dave gets &#8220;cool&#8221; but the details escape him.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-898</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dave&#039;s application can download a bug fix and delete the images.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But the &quot;cool&quot; feature of the app is the quality of those images. They don&#039;t come from Flickr.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8217;s application can download a bug fix and delete the images.</p>

<p>But the &#8220;cool&#8221; feature of the app is the quality of those images. They don&#8217;t come from Flickr.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;Does anyone think that Dave’s access and sharing of the
  AP photos is consistent with the uses AP intended when
  they allow him access? Maybe they approve but somehow
  I doubt they expected hundreds of copies of the images to
  be downloaded without any statement of license restriction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s easy enough to find out. I&#039;ll call the AP tomorrow and see what they say. Dave could be looking at millions of dollars in damages in a copyright infringement suit if not.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <p>Does anyone think that Dave’s access and sharing of the
  AP photos is consistent with the uses AP intended when
  they allow him access? Maybe they approve but somehow
  I doubt they expected hundreds of copies of the images to
  be downloaded without any statement of license restriction.</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s easy enough to find out. I&#8217;ll call the AP tomorrow and see what they say. Dave could be looking at millions of dollars in damages in a copyright infringement suit if not.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking of scripting... I wanted the FlckrFan AP Photo Feed for my Windows PC.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was able to find the feed link:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://static.flickrfan.org/ap/rss.xml
But Google Screen Saver doesn&#039;t see it as a valid &quot;Photo Feed&quot;. So, I started scripting. The file the URL gives you has &quot;Enclosures&quot; for about 200 AP Photos. I extracted the photo URLs and dpownloaded the images using the links.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I noticed the photos are named sequentially and are found in &quot;month/day/&quot; folders on Dave&#039;s server: static.flickrfan.org. I scripted the previous photo links and was able to download a collection of 1,400 AP photos and point Google Screensaver at the download folder.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where there&#039;s a will... would Dave approve of me getting the photos without using his tool? I also have a Mac running and was going to oopy the photos to a DVD before I started hacking on the PC. So, the PC is a &quot;back-up&quot; for the Mac downloads, in a sense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does anyone think that Dave&#039;s access and sharing of the AP photos is consistent with the uses AP intended when they allow him access? Maybe they approve but somehow I doubt they expected hundreds of copies of the images to be downloaded without any statement of license restriction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave gets away with shit many would be sued for... He&#039;s only doing it for the public good but still. Is there an invoice in the mail? (Number of users * 200 photos * HDTV&#039;s)  or some such financial nonsense. The server has the download data. Is Dave picking up the tab or does AP get the idea of making money because of the internet and NOT from the internet. That&#039;s an idea most old school media companies just don&#039;t get at all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of scripting&#8230; I wanted the FlckrFan AP Photo Feed for my Windows PC.</p>

<p>I was able to find the feed link:</p>

<p><a href="http://static.flickrfan.org/ap/rss.xml" rel="nofollow">http://static.flickrfan.org/ap/rss.xml</a>
But Google Screen Saver doesn&#8217;t see it as a valid &#8220;Photo Feed&#8221;. So, I started scripting. The file the URL gives you has &#8220;Enclosures&#8221; for about 200 AP Photos. I extracted the photo URLs and dpownloaded the images using the links.</p>

<p>I noticed the photos are named sequentially and are found in &#8220;month/day/&#8221; folders on Dave&#8217;s server: static.flickrfan.org. I scripted the previous photo links and was able to download a collection of 1,400 AP photos and point Google Screensaver at the download folder.</p>

<p>Where there&#8217;s a will&#8230; would Dave approve of me getting the photos without using his tool? I also have a Mac running and was going to oopy the photos to a DVD before I started hacking on the PC. So, the PC is a &#8220;back-up&#8221; for the Mac downloads, in a sense.</p>

<p>Does anyone think that Dave&#8217;s access and sharing of the AP photos is consistent with the uses AP intended when they allow him access? Maybe they approve but somehow I doubt they expected hundreds of copies of the images to be downloaded without any statement of license restriction.</p>

<p>Dave gets away with shit many would be sued for&#8230; He&#8217;s only doing it for the public good but still. Is there an invoice in the mail? (Number of users * 200 photos * HDTV&#8217;s)  or some such financial nonsense. The server has the download data. Is Dave picking up the tab or does AP get the idea of making money because of the internet and NOT from the internet. That&#8217;s an idea most old school media companies just don&#8217;t get at all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-893</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t understand is how any reasonable person can side with Scoble here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Call me when someone breaks a contract with you and claims they have some sort of inherent, moral right to do it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand is how any reasonable person can side with Scoble here.</p>

<p>Call me when someone breaks a contract with you and claims they have some sort of inherent, moral right to do it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love scaping useful info from websites and many can detect interactions that exceed the typical patterns of a browser.
When automation is detected many sites lock your account.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It sucks. Apparently, Scoble was beta testing an import feature for Plaxo. Facebook just gave Plaxo and huge free PR event.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The trick for Plaxo will be to make the interactions run at the speed of a user &quot;clicking&quot; through the contact info. It will take more time to run but the import feature will work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can own a customer for a while but they often just rebel and FaceBook will have to compete. Scoble was just the first of many users trying to extract their contact info. The issues will get lost in the blog storm. Go figure.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love scaping useful info from websites and many can detect interactions that exceed the typical patterns of a browser.
When automation is detected many sites lock your account.</p>

<p>It sucks. Apparently, Scoble was beta testing an import feature for Plaxo. Facebook just gave Plaxo and huge free PR event.</p>

<p>The trick for Plaxo will be to make the interactions run at the speed of a user &#8220;clicking&#8221; through the contact info. It will take more time to run but the import feature will work.</p>

<p>You can own a customer for a while but they often just rebel and FaceBook will have to compete. Scoble was just the first of many users trying to extract their contact info. The issues will get lost in the blog storm. Go figure.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/eye-on-scoble/comment-page-1#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Considering the trajectory of Scoble&#039;s career since leaving Microsoft, we might get an answer to your question.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the trajectory of Scoble&#8217;s career since leaving Microsoft, we might get an answer to your question.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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