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	<title>Comments on: Myth Dispelled: Dave&#8217;s no Independent</title>
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	<description>Keeping an eye on Dave Winer</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bit Ly</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/myth-dispelled-daves-no-independent#comment-1498</link>
		<dc:creator>Bit Ly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Funny: http://bit.ly/ass&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny: <a href="http://bit.ly/ass" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/ass</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Gadfly</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/myth-dispelled-daves-no-independent#comment-1484</link>
		<dc:creator>Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Die Hard Dave's petty obsession today with McCain's interesting VP choice shows he is a mindless Messiah backer who's flummoxed by the pick.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;News Flash: trivial comparison of Alaska's Governor to Asian waitresses amuses Berkleyites and Harvard Man?
http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/08/31/republicanHumor.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave can spin a story like Uncle Ream-us!  Watch the "post partisan" supporter lamely attack someone for BEING A WOMAN!
http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/08/31/republicanHumor.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This series of incomprehensible and reality-free posts shows exactly why most bloggers suck for facts or even honest opinion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No wonder a simple puppet show destroyed Dave.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Die Hard Dave&#8217;s petty obsession today with McCain&#8217;s interesting VP choice shows he is a mindless Messiah backer who&#8217;s flummoxed by the pick.</p>

<p>News Flash: trivial comparison of Alaska&#8217;s Governor to Asian waitresses amuses Berkleyites and Harvard Man?
<a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/08/31/republicanHumor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/08/31/republicanHumor.html</a></p>

<p>Dave can spin a story like Uncle Ream-us!  Watch the &#8220;post partisan&#8221; supporter lamely attack someone for BEING A WOMAN!
<a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/08/31/republicanHumor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/08/31/republicanHumor.html</a></p>

<p>This series of incomprehensible and reality-free posts shows exactly why most bloggers suck for facts or even honest opinion.</p>

<p>No wonder a simple puppet show destroyed Dave.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/myth-dispelled-daves-no-independent#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The notion that a political party is something to which loyalty is owed is a highly partisan one.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think a primary candidate owes enough loyalty to his party to respect the results of a party primary, instead of running in the general against the party nominee who beat him.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The notion that a political party is something to which loyalty is owed is a highly partisan one.</i></p>

<p>I think a primary candidate owes enough loyalty to his party to respect the results of a party primary, instead of running in the general against the party nominee who beat him.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/myth-dispelled-daves-no-independent#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"He betrayed his party when he did that."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is precisely my point. The notion that a political party is something to which loyalty is owed is a highly partisan one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the rest of you, you might want to examine the different types of "conservatives" -- a concept vastly different from "Republican" (especially lately).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lieberman is clearly on the conservative side of the Democratic party, McCain clearly on the liberal side of the Republican party. These days, in both parties, anyone who's not a complete nutjob ends up being at least a "moderate".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regardless, Dave's comments make it pretty clear that he's not the "independent" he claims.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;He betrayed his party when he did that.&#8221;</i></p>

<p>This is precisely my point. The notion that a political party is something to which loyalty is owed is a highly partisan one.</p>

<p>As for the rest of you, you might want to examine the different types of &#8220;conservatives&#8221; &#8212; a concept vastly different from &#8220;Republican&#8221; (especially lately).</p>

<p>Lieberman is clearly on the conservative side of the Democratic party, McCain clearly on the liberal side of the Republican party. These days, in both parties, anyone who&#8217;s not a complete nutjob ends up being at least a &#8220;moderate&#8221;.</p>

<p>Regardless, Dave&#8217;s comments make it pretty clear that he&#8217;s not the &#8220;independent&#8221; he claims.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/myth-dispelled-daves-no-independent#comment-1475</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How exactly is Lieberman “In Name Only”?  He scored 88/100 on the Human Rights Campaign’s score card while getting an F rating from the NRA.  He voted against a ban on Same Sex Marriage.  He’s sponsored or co-sponsored numerous environmental bills, He’s against the restrictions on embryonic cell research, he’s pro-choice, he was against the Bush tax cuts, and on top of all that he was the Party’s friggin’ nominee for Vice-President 2 elections ago.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only thing I can think of that makes him “not a Democrat” is Foreign Policy and, to be blunt, he’s a Jew.  Of course he’s going to be for a more aggressive approach in the Middle East.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The attitude that Lieberman is “not a Democrat” is exactly what holds the party back and is exactly why Obama is only tied with McCain when he should be crushing him (given Bush’s approval rating).  The party has become radicalized to the point where it’s just group think now.  Lieberman doesn’t disagree with the party’s platform on more than a few issues but that’s enough to kick him out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Put it this way, the people of Connecticut (a state that’s voted Democratic in the last 4 presidential elections) seem to think he’s still enough of a Democrat for them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How exactly is Lieberman “In Name Only”?  He scored 88/100 on the Human Rights Campaign’s score card while getting an F rating from the NRA.  He voted against a ban on Same Sex Marriage.  He’s sponsored or co-sponsored numerous environmental bills, He’s against the restrictions on embryonic cell research, he’s pro-choice, he was against the Bush tax cuts, and on top of all that he was the Party’s friggin’ nominee for Vice-President 2 elections ago.</p>

<p>The only thing I can think of that makes him “not a Democrat” is Foreign Policy and, to be blunt, he’s a Jew.  Of course he’s going to be for a more aggressive approach in the Middle East.</p>

<p>The attitude that Lieberman is “not a Democrat” is exactly what holds the party back and is exactly why Obama is only tied with McCain when he should be crushing him (given Bush’s approval rating).  The party has become radicalized to the point where it’s just group think now.  Lieberman doesn’t disagree with the party’s platform on more than a few issues but that’s enough to kick him out.</p>

<p>Put it this way, the people of Connecticut (a state that’s voted Democratic in the last 4 presidential elections) seem to think he’s still enough of a Democrat for them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zaphodim</title>
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		<dc:creator>zaphodim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lieberman is a DINO (Democrat in name only). Harry Reid has already warned Lieberman to stop acting against the Democratic Party's interests or there will be consequences, like the loss of his Chairmanship of the Senate Homeland Security Committee.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieberman is a DINO (Democrat in name only). Harry Reid has already warned Lieberman to stop acting against the Democratic Party&#8217;s interests or there will be consequences, like the loss of his Chairmanship of the Senate Homeland Security Committee.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bullshit Mancuso</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/myth-dispelled-daves-no-independent#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshit Mancuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I think both Democrats and Republicans can agree that there’s not a huge gap, practically speaking, between McCain and Lieberman…&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Only on foreign policy. Lieberman's voting record in Congress scores something like 9% with the American Conservative Union.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wouldn't use the term traitor, but Lieberman ran in the Democratic primary in Connecticut, lost, and then ran as an independent. He betrayed his party when he did that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think both Democrats and Republicans can agree that there’s not a huge gap, practically speaking, between McCain and Lieberman…</i></p>

<p>Only on foreign policy. Lieberman&#8217;s voting record in Congress scores something like 9% with the American Conservative Union.</p>

<p>I wouldn&#8217;t use the term traitor, but Lieberman ran in the Democratic primary in Connecticut, lost, and then ran as an independent. He betrayed his party when he did that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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