Comments on: How Dave Loses Arguments http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/how-dave-loses-arguments Keeping an eye on Dave Winer Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:41:27 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: anonymous http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/how-dave-loses-arguments/comment-page-1#comment-1757 anonymous Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:36:15 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=472#comment-1757 <p>Track Dave's predictions at: http://wrongtomorrow.com/authors/dave_winer</p> Track Dave’s predictions at: http://wrongtomorrow.com/authors/dave_winer

]]> By: zaphodim http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/how-dave-loses-arguments/comment-page-1#comment-1756 zaphodim Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:24:46 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=472#comment-1756 <p>John, that's a classic example of what I was just talking about. Let's look at how it played out:</p> <ol> <li>winer flames Asa, deliberately provoking him by calling him a creep.</li> <li>Asa flames back in winer's comments.</li> <li>winer removes the "creep" remark so Asa looks like he's flaming for no reason.</li> <li>Asa flames again. winer blocks the comments from appearing.</li> <li>Asa finally realizes he's arguing on winer's turf and getting screwed. So he takes the argument to someplace that winer isn't in control. The truth comes out.</li> </ol> <p>Classic. Absolutely classic.</p> <p>Remember: NEVER deal with winer on his turf. Never comment in a place where winer can make edits or remove your comments.</p> John, that’s a classic example of what I was just talking about. Let’s look at how it played out:

  1. winer flames Asa, deliberately provoking him by calling him a creep.
  2. Asa flames back in winer’s comments.
  3. winer removes the “creep” remark so Asa looks like he’s flaming for no reason.
  4. Asa flames again. winer blocks the comments from appearing.
  5. Asa finally realizes he’s arguing on winer’s turf and getting screwed. So he takes the argument to someplace that winer isn’t in control. The truth comes out.

Classic. Absolutely classic.

Remember: NEVER deal with winer on his turf. Never comment in a place where winer can make edits or remove your comments.

]]> By: John Newsjunk http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/how-dave-loses-arguments/comment-page-1#comment-1755 John Newsjunk Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:54:24 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=472#comment-1755 <p>Brilliant. Dave gets pwned, as the kids say: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/03/cant_let_dave_d.html</p> Brilliant. Dave gets pwned, as the kids say: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/03/cant_let_dave_d.html

]]> By: zaphodim http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/how-dave-loses-arguments/comment-page-1#comment-1754 zaphodim Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:41:17 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=472#comment-1754 <p>Gee dave, go rent "All The President's Men" to see a (highly fictionalized) version of how journalists applied pressure to get reluctant witnesses to speak.</p> <p>I don't really see that thread as an argument. dave is doing his usual passive-aggressive non-argument bullshit, answering a question with a question. That way he can deny he actually disagrees, if that becomes convenient to change his position later in the argument. Finally he declares the argument over, like he won. How ridiculous.</p> <p>I wonder if Allan responded with further comments that got deleted by dave, since he declared the thread ended. That's how dave works. Let me repeat my constant warning: Do NOT argue with dave in any blog space he controls. He has been known to delete comments and change other peoples' words. If he can't win the argument, he'll change what you wrote to make it look like he won.</p> Gee dave, go rent “All The President’s Men” to see a (highly fictionalized) version of how journalists applied pressure to get reluctant witnesses to speak.

I don’t really see that thread as an argument. dave is doing his usual passive-aggressive non-argument bullshit, answering a question with a question. That way he can deny he actually disagrees, if that becomes convenient to change his position later in the argument. Finally he declares the argument over, like he won. How ridiculous.

I wonder if Allan responded with further comments that got deleted by dave, since he declared the thread ended. That’s how dave works. Let me repeat my constant warning: Do NOT argue with dave in any blog space he controls. He has been known to delete comments and change other peoples’ words. If he can’t win the argument, he’ll change what you wrote to make it look like he won.

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