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	<title>Comments on: Massive Copyright Infringement</title>
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	<description>Keeping an eye on Dave Winer</description>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/massive-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1#comment-1718</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s nothing &quot;gray&quot; about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a vast difference between:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a) Keeping a personal archive for private use
b) Reproducing small parts of collections or larger works for commentary, and
c) Reproducing, publicly, a giant archive of copyrighted material.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What Dave is doing is roughly equivalent to recording a few days worth of radio and streaming it back over the internet to the public at large a few days later.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We can talk all day about what Dave might have done instead that wouldn&#039;t have been blatant copyright infringement but, at the end of the day, he didn&#039;t do any of those things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing &#8220;gray&#8221; about it.</p>

<p>There is a vast difference between:</p>

<p>a) Keeping a personal archive for private use
b) Reproducing small parts of collections or larger works for commentary, and
c) Reproducing, publicly, a giant archive of copyrighted material.</p>

<p>What Dave is doing is roughly equivalent to recording a few days worth of radio and streaming it back over the internet to the public at large a few days later.</p>

<p>We can talk all day about what Dave might have done instead that wouldn&#8217;t have been blatant copyright infringement but, at the end of the day, he didn&#8217;t do any of those things.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: JRT</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/massive-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>JRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting.  But what if you archived tweets to your own computer.  I doubt that would be considered violation of copyright.  I truly think this was meant to be a technology test and not some &quot;selfish&quot; attempt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, I believe this site has some examples where Dave took down a tweet or a blog post and either this blog or others have posted either a screen shot of them or the text verbatim.  (And he&#039;s definitely done the same thing).  So technically in those cases you (and your sub-authors), as well as Dave (when he&#039;s complaining about stuff) are engaging in copyright violations from that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s definitely a grey area--especially if you let the world see your stuff.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  But what if you archived tweets to your own computer.  I doubt that would be considered violation of copyright.  I truly think this was meant to be a technology test and not some &#8220;selfish&#8221; attempt.</p>

<p>Also, I believe this site has some examples where Dave took down a tweet or a blog post and either this blog or others have posted either a screen shot of them or the text verbatim.  (And he&#8217;s definitely done the same thing).  So technically in those cases you (and your sub-authors), as well as Dave (when he&#8217;s complaining about stuff) are engaging in copyright violations from that.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s definitely a grey area&#8211;especially if you let the world see your stuff.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EyeOnWiner</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/massive-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1#comment-1716</link>
		<dc:creator>EyeOnWiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just because you post something publicly doesn&#039;t mean you give up your copyright to it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When you post a tweet, you are giving Twitter a revocable license to publish and display your tweet... that license doesn&#039;t extend to Dave Winer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s actually quite significantly different from anything that could really be called &quot;caching&quot;, which tends to be ephemeral and private to some service, application, or individual. What this really is is &quot;archiving&quot; and it&#039;s a clear violation of copyright.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you post something publicly doesn&#8217;t mean you give up your copyright to it.</p>

<p>When you post a tweet, you are giving Twitter a revocable license to publish and display your tweet&#8230; that license doesn&#8217;t extend to Dave Winer.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s actually quite significantly different from anything that could really be called &#8220;caching&#8221;, which tends to be ephemeral and private to some service, application, or individual. What this really is is &#8220;archiving&#8221; and it&#8217;s a clear violation of copyright.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: JRT</title>
		<link>http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/massive-copyright-infringement/comment-page-1#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>JRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I can understand criticism of Dave&#039;s opinions, I&#039;m not sure this qualifies as &quot;selfish&quot;.  He&#039;s clearly looking for an archive of stuff.  I don&#039;t see this different from setting up a caching tool for the web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Twitter is mostly people posting to the public.  If there&#039;s clear examples of him posting info that&#039;s meant to be private (such as private tweets), you might have a point.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I can understand criticism of Dave&#8217;s opinions, I&#8217;m not sure this qualifies as &#8220;selfish&#8221;.  He&#8217;s clearly looking for an archive of stuff.  I don&#8217;t see this different from setting up a caching tool for the web.</p>

<p>Twitter is mostly people posting to the public.  If there&#8217;s clear examples of him posting info that&#8217;s meant to be private (such as private tweets), you might have a point.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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