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		<title>Michael Arrington vs. Dave Winer</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Arrington appears to have seen the light about Dave Winer, from the looks of this comment he made on TechCrunch:

Dave: just stop. you’ll do and say anything to get what you want. even lie. even delete previous messages and reverse your opinion.

http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-is-loren-feldmans-puppet

http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/davefeldman.png

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/13/the-rules-apply-to-everyone/

you have no integrity. you have no core ethics. it’s just all about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Arrington appears to have seen the light about Dave Winer, from the looks of this <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/04/make-us/#comment-2783374">comment</a> he made on TechCrunch:</p>

<blockquote>Dave: just stop. you’ll do and say anything to get what you want. even lie. even delete previous messages and reverse your opinion.<p>

<a href="http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-is-loren-feldmans-puppet">http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2008/dave-winer-is-loren-feldmans-puppet</a></p><p>

<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/davefeldman.png">http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/davefeldman.png</a></p><p>

<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/13/the-rules-apply-to-everyone/">http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/13/the-rules-apply-to-everyone/</a></p><p>

you have no integrity. you have no core ethics. it’s just all about you all the time.
</p></blockquote>

<p>This latest blowup began when Winer questioned Arrington&#8217;s integrity because TechCrunch is one of the suggested users recommended on Twitter. Winer sent a direct message to TechCrunch writer MG Siegler telling him to &#8220;stop fucking with RSS&#8221; because of an <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/05/rest-in-peace-rss/">article</a> arguing that RSS is dead. (Note that the article was by Steve Gillmor, not Siegler &#8212; Winer is a fucking genius.)</p>

<p>As you can see, Arrington is using Eye on Winer as a resource to document Winer&#8217;s hypocrisy. We compliment him on his good taste. They were best bros going back to the early days of TechCrunch &#8212; Arrington once served as his lawyer &#8212; but Arrington seems to have figured out why so many people in tech will never work with Winer.</p>

<p>If you know anyone else who hasn&#8217;t learned this lesson, send them to us.</p>
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		<title>Dave Finally Comments on Radio Payola</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be honest, Dave&#8217;s Apology to Radio Users it was more than I expected, but it was framed in a very misleading and dishonest way. He did his spinning over at FriendFeed:


  One more thing &#8212; it&#8217;s pretty obvious Arrington attacked me as a response to a piece I wrote the day
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, Dave&#8217;s <a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2009/04/10/anApologyToRadioUsers.html">Apology to Radio Users</a> it was more than I expected, but it was framed in a very misleading and dishonest way. He did his <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/4fbb0a43-708a-c1e7-a2bf-0bdd90fa668c/When-and-if-they-respond-they-will-likely-mention/">spinning</a> over at FriendFeed:</p>

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  <p>One more thing &#8212; it&#8217;s pretty obvious Arrington attacked me as a response to a piece I wrote the day
  before about Twitter giving flow to various friends, like TechCrunch. I went out of my way to say TC
  didn&#8217;t do anything wrong. Didn&#8217;t want to make it personal, cause it wasn&#8217;t. And then Mike comes back
  with this. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a coincidence.</p>
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<p>Problem is, <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/13/the-rules-apply-to-everyone">Arrington&#8217;s piece</a> makes explicitly clear <em>why</em> Dave was being singled out, and it wasn&#8217;t because he called out TC. It was, in essence, the same reason that <a href="http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/dave-on-twitters-suggested-users-list">we called him out a few weeks ago</a>.</p>

<p>What&#8217;s great is watching Dave try to explain that Curry&#8217;s feed was appropriate and should&#8217;ve been included anyway. He calls the $10,000 payment a &#8220;gratuity&#8221;. One of two things is true: he thought Curry&#8217;s feed belonged there but let a friend pay him $10k for it anyway or he had no intention of including Curry until he got the payola. He can&#8217;t have it both ways. He&#8217;s either a jerk of unimaginable proportions or he&#8217;s lying through his teeth. Not that those two things are mutually exclusive.</p>

<p>Dave&#8217;s &#8220;apology&#8221; is also incredibly weak on its face. After spending weeks bitching and moaning about not being included on Twitter&#8217;s suggested users list (what, does anyone actually believe this is about some deeper issue?) and making all sorts of insinuations about Twitter and the folks who got suggested user list spots he glosses over a much more egregious and ethically bankrupt action of his own with &#8220;I apologize for that.&#8221;</p>

<p>I&#8217;m not sure that Arrington&#8217;s comment about Winer&#8217;s lack of credibility is quite accurate though, as it seems to imply that this is a new phenomenon. Dave hasn&#8217;t had any for quite some time &#8212; it&#8217;s a side-effect of having no integrity, actually, something I imagine is just a product of his up-bringing.</p>
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