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Dave Winer Spreads More Atom FUD

Wednesday, April 9th, 2008

Dave Winer tweets:

Yes. Once the permissions are set correctly it appears in the feed. Of course when I clicked on the RSS icon I got an Atom feed. Broken.

Twitter launched a redesign yesterday that adopts Atom in preference to RSS. If you visit a user page and click the RSS autodiscovery icon in the status bar, you will see two Atom feeds as the available options. Previously, you’d see two Atom feeds and two RSS feeds offering the exact same data.

This change is, of course, an improvement.

Winer is, of course, wrong when he describes this as broken. The only breakage here is in his thinking.

Dave Suddenly Trusts Google

Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007

Did I miss the transition period? Dave says today that he trusts Google. My first reaction was puzzlement. After all, for all of the FUD he spews, it seems odd for him to now talk about how much he trusts them.

No worries, though, this was another FUD piece talking in the abstract about Feedburner “breaking” feeds. Let’s call a spade a spade here. What he’s really talking about, again, is Feedburner starting to output ATOM feeds instead of RSS. He writes:

Even though I don’t choose to use Feedburner, because I subscribe to the feeds of people who do, I am effected when they change the format of their feeds. When Google does this they inevitably break products that compete with theirs, the most obvious being Google Reader, but there are also server-side products that compete with Google’s that depend on being able to read RSS feeds.

There is exactly one feed reader of which I am aware that does not support ATOM. I bet you can guess which one that is: the one Dave wrote himself and absolutely refuses to add ATOM support to. Every other major (and probably minor) feed reader handles both RSS and ATOM perfectly well.

This, as I’ve written before, is the problem. Feedburner could eliminate RSS feeds and nobody but Dave would notice.

Now, amazingly, it seems as if Google may be doing this. I’ve seen it myself, files that mysteriously change format and break apps and users, and I’ve heard about it from a couple of developers. No one has said anything publicly, that I know of.

Small correction: this doesn’t “break apps”, applications that don’t support ATOM are already broken. Further, I’m not sure what it means to break a user (a phrase Dave uses twice), but he doesn’t spare the hyperbole and FUD:

Will someday I look in my spreadsheet files and find that Google has changed the numbers? Or will emails from execs at Yahoo contain racial slurs or outright lies? See how much damage Google can do because we trust them?

That’s right, Dave. Choosing not to support an inferior (and waning) file format is exactly the same as violating privacy agreements and maliciously destroying user data. Exactly the same.

Ignorance is Bliss

Friday, August 17th, 2007

On Wednesday, Dave penned an odd little essay on RSS vs. ATOM. His thesis is that users should never see the debate between RSS and ATOM. Why, you ask? Because right now “RSS” is the de facto name for all of the syndication formats, and it clearly helps Dave’s ego if nobody ever suggests that we start calling things what they are. Further, it’s no far stretch to believe that if we quit talking about, and debating, syndication formats, we could find ourselves locked into one format blindly.

Dave wants to hide all references to ATOM from the users because they “don’t care.” I agree, wholeheartedly, that users don’t care. Right now they only care that it works. But is that how we want it to be?

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