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	<title>Eye on Winer &#187; Privacy</title>
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		<title>Dave Winer: Creator of Worlds!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine that Dave starts using a new web app. Imagine, then, that the app starts publishing a list of all of the new users with links to their online identities. Imagine that this is an &#8220;opt out&#8221; situation. What&#8217;s the over/under on the number of web-tantrums Dave would throw? Dave made a change to FlickrFan [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine that Dave starts using a new web app.</p>

<p>Imagine, then, that the app starts publishing a list of all of the new users with links to their online identities.</p>

<p>Imagine that this is an &#8220;opt out&#8221; situation.</p>

<p>What&#8217;s the over/under on the number of web-tantrums Dave would throw?</p>

<p>Dave made a change to FlickrFan (probably sent out via the mandatory phone-home autoupdater) in which the flickr account names to all new users to the software are published online. Long-time readers who know that that Dave is a &#8220;do as I say, not as I do&#8221; kinda guy will guess that this new &#8220;feature&#8221; is&#8230; SURPRISE&#8230; opt-<em>out</em>.</p>

<p>What&#8217;s more, when questioned about it, <a href="http://codecasting.org/photoFan/00017.html">here&#8217;s what he says</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Since we&#8217;re still in the first 24 hours, the culture of this community is still to be determined.</p>
  
  <p>It&#8217;s going to be a fairly open community thing, that&#8217;s what I hope to telegraph from this. Have
  the discussion now, as opposed to later.</p>
  
  <p>To the other poster, of course I was following the Facebook stuff, and if you go back through the
  archive of Scripting News you&#8217;ll find that I wasn&#8217;t terribly critical of what they were doing because
  I understood the issues and tradeoffs.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Let&#8217;s deconstruct that, shall we?</p>

<p><span id="more-312"></span></p>

<p>The culture of the community is &#8220;still to be determined&#8221; he says&#8230; then, mere pixels later, it&#8217;s determined! &#8220;It&#8217;s going to be a fairly open community thing&#8221;, he says. He hopes to &#8220;telegraph&#8221; that with an obscure note in a change-log.</p>

<p>Dave apparently thinks that he&#8217;s the one that gets to decide what the community&#8217;s culture is.</p>

<p>He says that he wasn&#8217;t &#8220;terribly critical&#8221; of Facebook (which he wasn&#8217;t) but he says he understood the issues and trade-offs. <a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/11/24/diggingIntoTheLatestFacebo.html">Hmmm&#8230;</a></p>

<blockquote>
  <p>jmdelaney says that the newest Facebook issue is serious. I don&#8217;t doubt that it is, I just 
  <strong>don&#8217;t fully understand the issue,</strong> and I bet a lot of other people don&#8217;t either.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>He goes on to write:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>I might not mind having a purchase of an electronic gadget be a public act (with conditions)
  where I would mind disclosure of medications. Clearly this should be up to the individual to decide.
  Until I understand how it works, <strong>I&#8217;d like the default to be opt-out,</strong> and I decide to opt-in on a
  case by case basis</p>
</blockquote>

<p>(Emphasis in both quotes mine)</p>

<p>Just more evidence of something we already know: that Dave operates in a world of double standards&#8230; he he holds his privacy paramount and thinks of others&#8217; as a roadblock to his goals.</p>
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