Comments for Eye on Winer http://eyeonwiner.org Keeping an eye on Dave Winer Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:41:27 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on Dave Teaches You About Statistics by Bullshit Mancuso http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/dave-teaches-you-about-statistics/comment-page-1#comment-1794 Bullshit Mancuso Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:41:27 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=527#comment-1794 <p>This comment was made recently on Brad Fitzpatrick's blog entry about Dave Winer and RSSCloud:</p> <blockquote>As someone who has known Dave well for almost 30 years, I have to agree with Kragen that the best approach is to ignore him on this. His legacy is the most important thing in the world to him, so no compromise that doesn't leave him as the "inventor" of whatever new standard emerges will satisfy him. He can't be reasoned with, because he isn't using reason here. In his mind he is being screwed once again by a big company that is trying to take credit for his work. Whether it is true or not, and I think not, that is the movie that is playing out in his head. It can't be stopped. It can't be made "part of the process." It can only be ignored. One other thing, Brad. If you do try talking with him, NEVER even imply that you know what Dave is thinking, because he doesn't believe it is possible for anyone to know what he is thinking. For the record, I give Dave a large amount of credit for the adoption of RSS, OPML, blogging, and podcasting, but I don't think he "invented" any of them. I don't believe anyone invents things any more on the Internet. They just act as midwives. So, to continue the metaphor, Brad. If you want your standard to be born in a viable form, just go silent with Dave. He will get bored and move on. He always does. - Adam Green</blockquote> <p>For some reason the comment has been deleted, but Green has Winer pegged.</p> This comment was made recently on Brad Fitzpatrick’s blog entry about Dave Winer and RSSCloud:

As someone who has known Dave well for almost 30 years, I have to agree with Kragen that the best approach is to ignore him on this. His legacy is the most important thing in the world to him, so no compromise that doesn’t leave him as the “inventor” of whatever new standard emerges will satisfy him. He can’t be reasoned with, because he isn’t using reason here. In his mind he is being screwed once again by a big company that is trying to take credit for his work. Whether it is true or not, and I think not, that is the movie that is playing out in his head. It can’t be stopped. It can’t be made “part of the process.” It can only be ignored. One other thing, Brad. If you do try talking with him, NEVER even imply that you know what Dave is thinking, because he doesn’t believe it is possible for anyone to know what he is thinking. For the record, I give Dave a large amount of credit for the adoption of RSS, OPML, blogging, and podcasting, but I don’t think he “invented” any of them. I don’t believe anyone invents things any more on the Internet. They just act as midwives. So, to continue the metaphor, Brad. If you want your standard to be born in a viable form, just go silent with Dave. He will get bored and move on. He always does. - Adam Green

For some reason the comment has been deleted, but Green has Winer pegged.

]]> Comment on Dave Admits Hypocrisy by munger http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/dave-admits-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-1793 munger Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:44:48 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=525#comment-1793 <p>With Dave the fuzzy logic never stops:</p> <p>"...I don't guarantee that I will never sell a position on the list. But I will never put a feed on the list that I wouldn't put there if they didn't pay."</p> <p>Consider the ethics and logic of that policy.</p> <p>And how about this:</p> <p>"3. I try not to influence editorial content through my choices ... but if it influences the writers I will remove it immediately."</p> <p>Like if they write about Dave or his hobby projects favorably he will remove the feed? What about if they criticize him?</p> With Dave the fuzzy logic never stops:

“…I don’t guarantee that I will never sell a position on the list. But I will never put a feed on the list that I wouldn’t put there if they didn’t pay.”

Consider the ethics and logic of that policy.

And how about this:

“3. I try not to influence editorial content through my choices … but if it influences the writers I will remove it immediately.”

Like if they write about Dave or his hobby projects favorably he will remove the feed? What about if they criticize him?

]]> Comment on Dave Really Hates SULs by David Whiner http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/dave-really-hates-suls/comment-page-1#comment-1792 David Whiner Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:01:15 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=521#comment-1792 <p>Dave might not have an issue with this list because it's machine generated. There's no friend of Ev type of favoritism involved.</p> Dave might not have an issue with this list because it’s machine generated. There’s no friend of Ev type of favoritism involved.

]]> Comment on What’s An Asshole? by jack http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/whats-an-asshole/comment-page-1#comment-1790 jack Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:22:34 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=511#comment-1790 <p>And anil loves dave :)</p> <p>http://dashes.com/anil/2009/08/in-defense-of-the-punditocracy.html</p> And anil loves dave :)

http://dashes.com/anil/2009/08/in-defense-of-the-punditocracy.html

]]> Comment on What’s An Asshole? by jack http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/whats-an-asshole/comment-page-1#comment-1788 jack Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:27:09 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=511#comment-1788 <p>Dave off his meds. And no one should be surprised Anil Dash approved of Dave's little hate rant, at least if they've paid attention. That's pretty much Anil Dash in a nutshell.</p> Dave off his meds. And no one should be surprised Anil Dash approved of Dave’s little hate rant, at least if they’ve paid attention. That’s pretty much Anil Dash in a nutshell.

]]> Comment on What’s An Asshole? by Bullshit Mancuso http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/whats-an-asshole/comment-page-1#comment-1787 Bullshit Mancuso Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:21:59 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=511#comment-1787 <p>That post is definitely the work of an asshole. People who make wildly inaccurate Hitler analogies in politics are ignorant and foolish boors. That doesn't mean they -- or their children! -- deserve to die for it.</p> <p>Winer digs himself in deeper with this comment today: "If you fail to understand Hitler, you deserve to get Hitler. Their only sin, beyond stupidity, is their inability to imagine that it could happen here."</p> <p>If making stupid Nazi analogies means you deserve to die in a concentration camp, <a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/08/10/goodMorningEverybody.html" rel="nofollow">take a look</a> at what Winer said when a Gnomedex speaker called Karl Rove a Nazi in 2007: "He just called Karl Rove a Nazi. Hey I like this guy."</p> That post is definitely the work of an asshole. People who make wildly inaccurate Hitler analogies in politics are ignorant and foolish boors. That doesn’t mean they — or their children! — deserve to die for it.

Winer digs himself in deeper with this comment today: “If you fail to understand Hitler, you deserve to get Hitler. Their only sin, beyond stupidity, is their inability to imagine that it could happen here.”

If making stupid Nazi analogies means you deserve to die in a concentration camp, take a look at what Winer said when a Gnomedex speaker called Karl Rove a Nazi in 2007: “He just called Karl Rove a Nazi. Hey I like this guy.”

]]> Comment on What’s An Asshole? by curtis http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/whats-an-asshole/comment-page-1#comment-1786 curtis Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:58:40 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=511#comment-1786 <p>I was happy to see the snarky "and no, you won't be able to bring your assault rifle" at the end-- Winer and I went at it in his comments section on his last post on the matter, which ended up in him banning my disqus identities. I think he just might have been talking to me...</p> I was happy to see the snarky “and no, you won’t be able to bring your assault rifle” at the end– Winer and I went at it in his comments section on his last post on the matter, which ended up in him banning my disqus identities. I think he just might have been talking to me…

]]> Comment on Dave ‘Fixes’ The SUL Problem by jack http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/dave-fixes-the-sul-problem/comment-page-1#comment-1785 jack Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:14:38 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=505#comment-1785 <p>Dave's been as unstable as ever over the last few months. You guys missed a lot of great subject matter, but it's still good to have you back.</p> Dave’s been as unstable as ever over the last few months. You guys missed a lot of great subject matter, but it’s still good to have you back.

]]> Comment on A Little EOW Navel-gazing by Darby http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/a-little-eow-navel-gazing/comment-page-1#comment-1784 Darby Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:08:26 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=502#comment-1784 <p>Hey, this is Darby from the Angry Mac Bastards. Glad you enjoyed the podcast. Keep up the good work calling Dave on his idiocy.</p> Hey, this is Darby from the Angry Mac Bastards. Glad you enjoyed the podcast. Keep up the good work calling Dave on his idiocy.

]]> Comment on Dave Winer Admits He Didn’t Create RSS by Single Maria http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2009/dave-winer-admits-he-didnt-create-rss/comment-page-1#comment-1783 Single Maria Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:52:23 +0000 http://eyeonwiner.org/?p=498#comment-1783 <p>Thanks for the post. haha. it is silly of him.Of course you can’t invent something that existed before you got involved in it. This man has no logic)</p> Thanks for the post. haha. it is silly of him.Of course you can’t invent something that existed before you got involved in it. This man has no logic)

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